You said
"Vanilla is great, and cannot be a shit game(subjective, despite your illogical reasoning), even subjectively (lol). You might not like it; but it is still a good game.(subjective opinion) It's a popular franchise (Warcraft), based on a successful format (DnD), and crafted with a unique and timeless style.
You may not like it, but that doesn't make it a shitty game, sorry to break it to you." << again, your subjective opinion. I could reword that into me saying " you may like it, but that doesnt make it a good game, sorry to break it to you"
Classic may not be as good as it once was, but making an argument for retail WoW being a good game instead is just silly.
Classic is really good. It's "flaws" makes it even more fun. Retail is shit and full of welfare epix.
No you are wrong. Your opinions are wrong and you are just wrong.
There are elements of Classic that are better than retail, but the overall core gameplay of retail is better. Leveling and class identity is absolute garbage in Classic. The problem in Retail is all of the arbitrary bullshit required to stay relevant (ex Heart of Azerite level and essences) that you can't hope to stay on top of unless you DO all that extra arbitrary bullshit.
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excellent argument.
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How so? The core gameplay in retail is considerably better, especially when you consider that Blizzard has had to post several times explaining how certain elements of the game do not make sense, but they were "how it was in Classic" and thus, a "feature" not a "bug." If Classic came out today as a modern game, it would be considered irredeemably bad. There was plenty of arbitrary bullshit in Classic too, like farming resist gear that was essentially useless outside of one encounter. Making the argument that Classic is a good game is equally laughable.
I don't see how you believe that. Classic, gives you way more class quests than live does, such as learning your abilities. Shaman's need to go learn their totems, Warlocks on how to summon their demons, Druids their various forms. Hunters and Priests both have epic weapon quests they can go on. The game requires you to use majority of your talents, or when was the last time you ever remember needing CC in retail to really deal with mobs. Is it, just jerk it and watch heirlooms carry me forward.
Classic has it's own issues, but it's still a much engaging RPG experience than retail is.
I mean people were complaining about Hunters having to use the bows from range. Because you know...it's a range weapon?
Tauren's have a longer reach, because they are bigger than the other races.
Warriors don't have instantaneous health regen (because they have no health regen stacked)
Feared NPC's run away from you quickly
Quests don't show up on the minimap, because you need to actually, go on an adventure.
You act like these things were issues, I just see people being stupid. In retail, Blizzard caved into them, rather than fix the stupidity. Classic, would do just find as a modern game, just have dated graphics. It's not an experience for all your PubG and LoL fanboys, that can't go 10 minutes without get their ego stroked. Several types of gamers, that are perfectly fine with a slow grind. Korean MMO's still do quite fine.
No, I am not wrong. If world quests had reliably enough good rewards, mythic raiders would do them. I didn't do a single gear rewarding WQ in Legion or BFA past the first week of expansion release. Because the gear is shit.
Most mythic raiders pretty much don't even bother doing Heroic at some point, because guess what: The only reliable way to get the best gear in the game is to do the hardest content in the game.
Getting a maxed out character in BFA requires a lot more player skill than in Classic.
Getting a maxed out character in Classic requires a lot more time and effort than in retail.
Hahaha... Well done sir
So many people hating on classic on these forums.
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How would they ever be able to make retail better? They failed the last 10 years or so xD Even if blizzard had unlimited amount of money they couldnt fix the mistakes they already did. WoW is a dying, and thats how it is. We had our glory days, now just enjoy what we got please.
Except getting a bis character in classic takes no skill, get your facts straight, it takes more time than retail, but no more skill cause you actually have to do mythic progression on retail, and lets just not compare classic raids with retail mythic raids, dont wanna make classic diehard fans sad.
Not bashing on LFR players, im on the "idc if LFR exists or not" side, but dont come to me with the "they can be skilled players but they choose to do LFR cause time" crap, if they want to do LFR, good for them, but dont act like they "could" be good, either you are good or you arent, thats all there is.