Could The Lich King Beat Us With The Heart of Azeroth?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We fought literal murlocs on the broken shore. I don't see your point?

Blizzard routinely has us facing ludicrous ’threats’ despite the world-shaking power we possess.

Please use a better example.

We don’t actually know if the champions fought Murlocs as lore wise there are multiple adventures some could have been fighter murlocs with no artifacts while others could have been fighting kil’jaden with the artifacts.

We know a few things, boss kills have been broken up into factions lines pre argent tournament so not every boss has been killed by every adventure. The tournament had the best of the best join forces to beat the lich king.
The horde and alliance then worked together for cata-mop meaning the same adventures from the tournament could have delt with all the main bosses while lesser characters were doing other things. Then in legion the best of the adventure got the artifacts and lead order halls this leaves lesser Murloc killing folk to be part of said order halls. From there we know that said leaders got the heart of Azeroth.

In short lore wise all we actually know is that we killed the main bads in legion then those same characters lead into bfa we don’t know if every single quest was done by the order hall leader or lesser adventures all we know is we did the artifact/main story ones.

[Sesto]

The Heart of Azeroth is just a generic gameplay mechanic so who knows. But we definitely could with the Artifact Weapons.

[Tyrilion]

When we had an amplified Ashbringer? No. Lich King couldn't even beat Tirion when he was a mere pleb that couldn't unlock the Ashbringer's baseline special ability. The necklace?? lol. Necklace sucks compared to our artifacts.

Bolvar lich king not arthas we dont know the full extent of his power!

[matrix123mko]

We beat the thunderking before he could regain his old power It’s like beating up on some one who just beat cancer and hasn’t had time to recover yet.

We also fought arck with multiple army’s at our back I don’t believe there is any canon on how the fight actually went down.

As to the heart of Azeroth power we have no way to know how much it supes us up as it’s not made for that it’s made to heal Azeroth. What we do know is that with the artifacts we could fight a titan but with the heart we couldn’t be a fish in a timely manner.

We did beat Argus with help of entire Pantheon.

[Aeula]

One meme beam and she'd be ashes.

[huth]

The well of eternity had the power to blow up the continent and make the maelstrom. 20 people with the heart to Azeroth can’t beat up a fish before it does some lock picking. They really aren’t comparable.

As far as being weaker then the artifacts nothing else explains how we go from fighting titans to fish. The heart of Azeroth also isn’t meant to make us uber powerful like the weapons it’s meant to heal Azeroth.

Let's just ignore that a) said "fish" is one of the most powerful arcane casters in the 'verse who had prepared the whole situation specificially to subvert and abuse the power of the Heart and b) that we had quite a bit more help than just the Artifacts against the one Titan we did fight at what may be more or less full power(probably not, since Sargeras has been draining and using his power to keep the Legion running for quite some time).

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We did beat Argus with help of entire Pantheon.

We beat aggamar without them though didn’t we?

[GreenJesus]

Bolvar lich king not arthas we dont know the full extent of his power!

Well Bolvar doesn't have frostmourne and all the souls stored in it so probably a lot weaker

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Let's just ignore that a) said "fish" is one of the most powerful arcane casters in the 'verse who had prepared the whole situation specificially to subvert and abuse the power of the Heart and b) that we had quite a bit more help than just the Artifacts against the one Titan we did fight at what may be more or less full power(probably not, since Sargeras has been draining and using his power to keep the Legion running for quite some time).

We also beat aggamar kil’jaden and every other legion higher up, while we don’t have set power levels I’d guess they out pace the fish.

[GreenJesus]

We also beat aggamar kil’jaden and every other legion higher up, while we don’t have set power levels I’d guess they out pace the fish.

Kiljaedan we had Illidan and Velen and Khadgars help. They were holding off demons in game but their presence meant they were probably actually fighting KJ but blizzard kept them to the side so they dont obstruct raid mechanics

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kiljaedan we had Illidan and Velen and Khadgars help. They were holding off demons in game but their presence meant they were probably actually fighting KJ but blizzard kept them to the side so they dont obstruct raid mechanics

Well ya but we had help while fighting the fish as well as we do with most end raid bosses. The Help took a step down of course but so did we after all.

[GreenJesus]

Well ya but we had help while fighting the fish as well as we do with most end raid bosses. The Help took a step down of course but so did we after all.

Are we talking about the giant eel?? What is this fish people are talking about? I only played 2 hours of 8.2 and watched a few streams.

[Alvito]

Considering he sees you as a smudge when you visit him during BFA, I think there might be a chance.. Though, no sword to help

That isn't Arthas. We have beaten Arthas already. Making us more powerful he wouldn't stand a chance. Bolivar in a 1v1 setting might have the upper hand. Against a group of people with the heart empowering them, no way.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Are we talking about the giant eel?? What is this fish people are talking about? I only played 2 hours of 8.2 and watched a few streams.

I guess it could be the eel but I mean queen fish as azsahara or how ever you spell her name.

[Jastall]

Considering gameplay doesn't translate to actual power levels, probably not. Us with artifact weapons? Yes. Heart of Azeroth pales in comparison to Ashbringer or Doomhammer.

We don't really know that, precisely. The Heart is a Titan creation, was empowered several times and absorbed inordinate amounts of the same kind of juice that created the Well of Eternity. It's safe to say that, if it's not quite as powerful as the most OP Artifacts, it can't be that far behind.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That isn't Arthas. We have beaten Arthas already. Making us more powerful he wouldn't stand a chance. Bolivar in a 1v1 setting might have the upper hand. Against a group of people with the heart empowering them, no way.

We the hero’s didn’t beat arthas we got one shot when he got bored. Take Tirion out of the fight and arthas just kills and raises us. Given that we now have axes made by pirates and cups filled with gold coins it’s unlikely any of the hero’s could break frostmourn like Tirion did.

[Alvito]

The better question is, Could Arthas beat Ditka?

Maybe mini Ditka

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We don't really know that, precisely. The Heart is a Titan creation, was empowered several times and absorbed inordinate amounts of the same kind of juice that created the Well of Eternity. It's safe to say that, if it's not quite as powerful as the most OP Artifacts, it can't be that far behind.

The thing is that power isn’t meant to make us better at killing that’s a side effect the heart is meant to heal Azeroth while the artifacts were for the most part incredibly destructive weapons.

[GreenJesus]

We the hero’s didn’t beat arthas we got one shot when he got bored. Take Tirion out of the fight and arthas just kills and raises us. Given that we now have axes made by pirates and cups filled with gold coins it’s unlikely any of the hero’s could break frostmourn like Tirion did.

But lorewise, the NPC's told the paladin that the day we picked up Ashbringer we unlocked more potential in it than Tirion ever did. So... doesn't that mean we are stronger than Tirion who beat the Lich King?

[Alvito]

We the hero’s didn’t beat arthas we got one shot when he got bored. Take Tirion out of the fight and arthas just kills and raises us. Given that we now have axes made by pirates and cups filled with gold coins it’s unlikely any of the hero’s could break frostmourn like Tirion did.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way frostmourne and Arthas are off the table now. Even if the sword was still there it isn't powered by all the souls like it was before. Say we could go with our current characters vs icc 25 Arthas who knows. While we are making nonsense cases for each we might as well point out the you can kill him now prior to the ice part and people survive the freeze that is now just a stun. So it really depends on what sort of power creep you believe in and what is just for game play and not lore reasons.