O Flora, of the moon, of the dream. O Little ones, O fleeting will of the ancients. Let the hunter be safe. Let them find comfort. And let this dream, their captor, Foretell a pleasant awakening
Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an excercise of power, are barbarians" - George Lucas 1988
I was thinking more along the now almost guaranteed lines of small games with large amounts of DLC, story being locked behind it, pretty much cramming into it wherever you can, remember when games had that because it was a way for devs/publishers to get some money out of the then massive resale market where they get zero profit for their product? We're heading right back. Good job breaking it hero.
O Flora, of the moon, of the dream. O Little ones, O fleeting will of the ancients. Let the hunter be safe. Let them find comfort. And let this dream, their captor, Foretell a pleasant awakening
Sounds good at first, but terrible with some critical thinking applied.
Software does not degrade over time like a physical product does. Regardless of whether the game has had 1, 2 or 30 owners before hand, a game resold this way will be the exact same quality as the original. This is why you can still sell new stuff with the resell market, because people like to have physical goods not owned by anyone before.
Also the pricing will be a race to the bottom. You'll undercut the cheapest price just to get rid of it, and before you know it the games are worth nothing. Developers will feel that hit and will start making oppressive subscription based and live service games.
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Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an excercise of power, are barbarians" - George Lucas 1988
Yet there were plenty of studios that started out as Indies and have completely survived those Horrible Used Games.
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Not at all, Blu-Rays are built to last. Indie Devs are "the industry", Just because they are Independent doesn't mean they get Special Treatment from Platforms.
Last edited by szechuan; 2019-09-22 at 04:42 AM.
A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.
Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.
How will they implement this?
"Remove Key from Libary"? - or something like that?
On top of that, who's to stop developers putting up accounts that require key input for their games.
I can already see that you will have to get steam to remove your key and make it available again, then some kind of third party programm to remove the key and then you have to trust the dude you are buying from to actually do it and not give up because it's a hassle.
Meh.
First I have never said after week you said it second, you assumed it will be a third party for reselling keys and most likely it won't be it has to be under Steam nose the purchases, third you are assuming that Steam or in your case third party websites setting rules to minimum resale value? under which law or rule they do that? they are protecting who? the gaming companies from setting the resale value of their games? or protecting gamers while they are selling their used games to give the best value of payback? there no such service for free Kiddo if something ever like this established 100% they want a cut from the money you get later. Which defeat the purpose of the case that you own the game and it became property to you and you have the full freedom to keep it or sell it as you like.
Fourth, the whole point that you quote was about indie developers, try to organize your thoughts and argue me point by point, I can't imagine how you sit in exams trying to organize your thoughts to answer questions if you're spewing random thoughts in one paragraph.
Since I have to be captain obvious and be called for it but I will bite it and since you clearly suck economy also (math was first, god knows how many subjects you fail at your school !!) Imagine yourself.. average Joe bought an indie game day 1 for 20 $, you finished it in month or so now you want to sell it, now imagine there are 50k gamers trying to sell it for say about 15$, you want to get rid of it quickly the more the game sit in your library the more its value goes down. So you undercut them by 1$ then they start to do the same to you, of course, if the game has high demand and popular every steam user is winner they all will sell their copies and it is a matter of supply and demand, but if not, everyone wants to dump his game as soon as possible at any given price.
The popularity of the game, number of copies sold and are willing to resell it, the original price tag of the game, the release date of the game and the value of the game in sale (although as I said before there is no benefit of sales if this implemented) will determine the prices of used copies some will stay high some will go cheap as dirt. So yes some users are willing to sell indie games cheap, there is no much room to wiggle in the price there since most indie games don't go above 20~40$. To go back to my original post... all these purchases goes under the nose of the Indie companies and Steam they have no right to get a cut from these since they already got it from they initial buyer otherwise they can be sued for grabbing any penny from that, it will be the demise of many indie companies.
Since I have to be Sherlock and feed you facts with a spoon, my original post if this only targeted Steam initially and it stayed like this for a long time it will keep AAA companies from Steam. Heck, they might go to Epic store exclusive to skip this shit, these companies are biting the bullet of the physical copies on consoles being resold over and over with 0 benefits to them other than introducing loot boxes and cosmetic shit to compensate. Companies don't want another war front to fight against. So most likely you will find more exclusive games to consoles than PC.Goddayum Sherlock, you found out that physical copies cost money to make! Hey guess what: they still are sold for the same price both physical and digital either way, it doesn't matter. I've NEVER PAID LESS for a digital version of a game, even if I could have bought it physical at my local Media Markt. People following the trend and buying shit on day 1 is a whole other issue, that people made for themselves, falling for hypetrains and other stuff.
Of course you have to sell your account for this right now. I fail to see your point here with your baseless insult. You are so stuck with your goddamn "PEOPLE WILL SELL GAMES FOR A DORRAH ERRRMAHHGEERRRD!", I think you have a fucking problem if you really believe that this will be the case.
Read above, it is the supply and demand of sold keys... I can't predict the value of each game being resold, but yes some games can go to that price depend on many variables mentioned above. used keys will always be below sales price datum, Some kids have more than 200 games in their library most of them they stopped playing them, try to think in his mind how easy fast cash they want to get like 200$ or more to buy new GPU or CPU.And again, you rather insult me for being bad at math, while not thinking logically, that both steam and publishers can have restrictions on resells. If anything, people selling a brand new game for a DOLLAR is complete nonsense. Get your head out of your ass and start to THINK logically.
And I'm the one who thinks illogical here, This will be fun to argue because you clearly don't think ahead before you post funny stuff like this, So you are saying Steam introduces a new feature of selling used keys, kids who want easy cash or people got older with responsibilities and they are not playing at all and want to sell their whole libraries should be all reported because it looks fishy to you (since they got caught in the middle and look like hacked accounts) ? I'm sure Steam support will love you as their manager with your easy solutions...actually they will burn you on stake LOL. Can you imagine the amount of reports Steam will get if they follow your advice?Ah yes, an account that just starts selling all the games it has - if you buy a game from an account that has its whole library up for sale, MAYBE you should think for yourself and say "huh... thats kinda strange and seems fishy" and rather report the account instead? If you think that this seems like an unsolvable problem, no it is not. If anything, an account that does this is rather suspicious and probably gets banned extremely quickly if enough people actually care to report it.
Who the hell brought up if the authenticator is free or not? I don't know what this has to do with what I said previously. I was giving an example that most companies now promoting to authenticators because many people are clueless when it comes to the protection and security of their accounts. It eases the life of the Support staff to deal with the swarm of hacked accounts. Hackers follow the money if there is money involved in steam libraries they target it more. I was giving an example..Jeez, that also totally went over your head.Yes illogical andy, you figured it out: Blizzard and other companies promote more security, because people were stupid and got hacked. The difference: a lot of companies give you the option for free nowadays, while blizzard sold an authenticator before smartphones were a common thing for most people. Thats a real shocker right here.
To sum it up, we are screwed anyway because of these greedy ass companies anyway, so please let me cash out my Steam library because I'm in dire need of this money, whatever the aftereffect of these companies towards us it was going to happen anyway... Sure dude, enjoy your money out of thin air.Again, you are missing the point. Publishers will ALWAYS look for ways to make ALL THE MONEY. Funny that you pick the biggest pieces of shit in the industry to make an example, when most of their games in the last 2 years mostly were "behind expectations" in terms of sales and other things, because people started to not give a fuck about EA anymore. It turns out, people already have enough of this shit and if publishers/companies decide to go even harder, it will just hasten their downfall with newer regulations, customers not buying the games and other things. We already see the effect of lootboxes.
If anything, the people who STILL buy those games are to blame. People who STILL invest money into said games are a much bigger problem than the reselling of a game.
Plenty of Publishers/devs etc... in The Game industry, have ALWAYS been aggressive in pushing/creating MTX trends and even some have pushed MTX regardless of rules and regulations recently shown like Blatantly lying about ESRB ratings.
Microsoft is also one of the main reasons why people have to pay $$$ to even play online on consoles.
Last edited by szechuan; 2019-09-22 at 02:22 PM.
A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.
Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.
O Flora, of the moon, of the dream. O Little ones, O fleeting will of the ancients. Let the hunter be safe. Let them find comfort. And let this dream, their captor, Foretell a pleasant awakening
Got it one outlier(which got changed by consumer outcry, despite your entire disingenuous platform being they just absolutely steamroll over what their consumers want chasing that almighty dollar that no one will give them if they don't like the product. Which is so goddamned stupid, I'm wondering if you go out with a special helmet over your tinfoil hat!) disproves the whole argument.
So how's macron going to deal with that guillotine? I mean the french do just execute their leaders if they don't like them and those protests are still ongoing, non? That's how you're arguing.
O Flora, of the moon, of the dream. O Little ones, O fleeting will of the ancients. Let the hunter be safe. Let them find comfort. And let this dream, their captor, Foretell a pleasant awakening
the problem is not steam not making anything out of it. its that Epic shit is already pushing on steam and if this also happens, not only steam, but PC gaming overall will be shit on by publishers and they will find radical ways to suck more money out of the costumers by for example making games Sub based like how WoW already is so even if you sell your game to someone else, they still have to pay monthly to play the game. and nobody wants that.
Just to make this completely clear for everyone.
This doesn't mean that Valve must allow people to sell their individual games that they have on steam. The court ruling was against a couple of points in their TOS, one of them being that you're not allowed to sell your account (real world trading) and you will be punished for doing so.
This just means that valve can no longer do anything about people selling accounts, if you wanna sell your 10 year old account with 100+ games to some random guy on the internet you're free to do so and can't be punished for it.
The ruling was against their TOS, not the inability to sell individual digital games.
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Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an excercise of power, are barbarians" - George Lucas 1988
You see, nothing stops EU making adjustments to law in cases like these - Valve repeats this, gets 10 times the fine. Next time - 100.
EU made Microsoft and Intel pay fines in billions. Valve is nothing compared to that.
And before some smartass decides to say "But Valve will just leave the market!". No. No they will not. No one is that stupid to miss out on the second biggest market in the world.
I pity you, for you are hopeless. Well, I guess the corporation propaganda over the decades has paid off...
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