Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Elegiac]

OT:
Pompeo fails to meet house subpoena

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/p...ine-documents/

Toss the fucker in jail.

I think we're past the point where fines will cut it.

[nonameelf]

OT:
Pompeo fails to meet house subpoena

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/p...ine-documents/

Charge him with Contempt of Congress.

[Thepersona]

Toss the fucker in jail.

I think we're past the point where fines will cut it.

I hope that the house democrats fully grow their spine and throw him in jail... before the sun goes up. I dont have high hopes though.

[Captain N]

Oh we know Pompeo won't end up in jail. It's only everyday Americans who end up incarcerated for not showing up to court dates...even if it's just jury duty.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/us/fl...rnd/index.html

[Shalcker]

What? Trump PERSONALLY tried to bribe the Ukrainian president into doing it.

He is not personally investigating anything.

And Ukrainians didn't even understood they were being bribed, so it is clearly quite open to interpretation.

[nonameelf]

He is not personally investigating anything.

And Ukrainians didn't even understood they were being bribed, so it is clearly quite open to interpretation.

I have no interest in playing the semantics game with you.

[Shalcker]

Opinion piece by someone clearly biased, not article.

That's sadly all we have now, opinions all around us.

[Thepersona]

Oh we know Pompeo won't end up in jail. It's only everyday Americans who end up incarcerated for not showing up to court dates...even if it's just jury duty.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/us/fl...rnd/index.html

You know... sometimes i think about the october revolution, and how, for a brief moment, powerful people were really afraid of losing said power, before all went to shit. And i smile, with a little bit of sadness.

[Shalcker]

I mean, that's very telling. If this were a more ambiguous case you would have at least some legitimate sources trying to make a more moderate stance.

What source do you consider legitimate out of those that would routinely disagree with you?

[Elegiac]

I have no interest in playing the semantics game with you.

Just to give you a rough idea of the talking points that are about to come down the pipe: https://theintercept.com/2019/10/04/...giuliani-hero/

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I think we've played this game before...

Nah, we haven't. "Collusion" is one thing.

Like I said - those perfumed, periwig-wearing sluts that wrote the Constitution were quite explicit about bribery being an impeachable offense. Interfering with this investigation is a clear cut case of obstruction and any and all means should be pursued to get to the bottom of it.

[nonameelf]

Just to give you a rough idea of the talking points that are about to come down the pipe: https://theintercept.com/2019/10/04/...giuliani-hero/

Volker is a villain for, um, releasing text messages that prove Trump was bribing Ukraine?

Russia is fucking weird.

Fun fact: if you think someone is a villain for telling the truth then you're the baddies.

[Shalcker]

Volker is a villain for, um, releasing text messages that prove Trump was bribing Ukraine?

Russia is fucking weird.

They are gloating over it and celebrating his departure.

And making an argument that "buying the Javelins by Ukraine with US money" (you know, the thing Trump was holding back) was his lobbyist shtick (based on Politico article).

The whistleblower complaint has emboldened congressional Democrats to push forward with an impeachment inquiry against Trump. But it has also drawn uncomfortable attention to Volker and the unusual arrangement by which he served as Trump's special envoy — essentially as a volunteer while maintaining other paid jobs, including as executive director of the McCain Institute, a Washington think tank named for the late Republican Sen. John McCain, of Arizona.

It's interesting how many ways people devise to re-route US taxpayer money back to US corporations (and themselves) through "foreign influence" campaigns.

[Orbitus]

They are gloating over it and celebrating his departure.

And making an argument that "buying the Javelins by Ukraine with US money" (you know, the thing Trump was holding back) was his lobbyist shtick (based on Politico article).

The whistleblower complaint has emboldened congressional Democrats to push forward with an impeachment inquiry against Trump. But it has also drawn uncomfortable attention to Volker and the unusual arrangement by which he served as Trump's special envoy — essentially as a volunteer while maintaining other paid jobs, including as executive director of the McCain Institute, a Washington think tank named for the late Republican Sen. John McCain, of Arizona.

It's interesting how many ways people devise to re-route US taxpayer money back to US corporations (and themselves) through "foreign influence" campaigns.

It is cute that you think you are helping the Republicans here.

[nonameelf]

They are gloating over it and celebrating his departure.

And making an argument that "buying the Javelins by Ukraine with US money" (you know, the thing Trump was holding back) was his lobbyist shtick (based on Politico article).

The whistleblower complaint has emboldened congressional Democrats to push forward with an impeachment inquiry against Trump. But it has also drawn uncomfortable attention to Volker and the unusual arrangement by which he served as Trump's special envoy — essentially as a volunteer while maintaining other paid jobs, including as executive director of the McCain Institute, a Washington think tank named for the late Republican Sen. John McCain, of Arizona.

It's interesting how many ways people devise to re-route US taxpayer money back to US corporations (and themselves) through "foreign influence" campaigns.

Yes, that is generally how US military aid works. US gives a country money and that money is to be spent buying US weapons.

[Shalcker]

It is cute that you think you are helping the Republicans here.

It's cute that you think i'm interested in helping Republicans rather then exploring rotten American system from all angles.

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Yes, that is generally how US military aid works. US gives a country money and that money is to be spent buying US weapons.

I guess it is also routinely facilitated by people in part paid by those corporation through only two layers of separation. Maybe sometimes even less?

Politico still thinks it's questionable though:
But if there is little doubt that Volker was a longtime hawk on Russia policy, questions still remain about whether his private business associates might have benefited from his role as the special representative, just as Giuliani, the president’s private lawyer, was apparently gaining access to Ukrainian officials through Volker’s contacts.

While other former diplomats have returned to active service, they typically take steps to eliminate any conflicts. For example, William Taylor, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, has returned to Kyiv to temporarily replace Marie Yovanovitch, who was ousted by Trump and branded by him as "bad news." But in doing so, Taylor gave up a position as vice president at the U.S. Institute for Peace in Washington and is no longer listed on its web site.

In yet another sign of how tangled relations can be in the murky world of post-Soviet diplomacy, Volker is also a senior adviser at the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank that has extensive ties in Ukraine and receives financial support for some of its Ukraine-related work from Burisma, the gas company whose board Hunter Biden joined in 2014.

Whatever Volker, Sondland and Giuliani were up to in recent months, there is sober recognition in Kyiv that little, if any, of it was actually focused on helping Ukraine in any substantive way to end its conflict with Russia.

[nonameelf]

I guess it is also routinely facilitated by people in part paid by those corporation through only two layers of separation. Maybe sometimes even less?

No, not usually. The Trump admin is just plagued with conflicts of interest.

[Zaydin]

No, not usually. The Trump admin is just plagued with conflicts of interest.

Probably because Trump is incompetent and a crook and qualified competent people don't want to get within ten miles of his administration because they know working for him will wreck their careers. So the only people who will work for him are either people as morally challenged as Trump or suckups who think kissing his wrinkled orange ass will get them further.

[Dontrike]

If you're going to use flaming and slurs rather than convincing arguments, I'll just let you talk to yourself.

The fact you said "socialist democrats" means you didn't bring any convincing arguments either. What's next; saying people have Trump Derangement Syndrome?

[Orbitus]

It's cute that you think i'm interested in helping Republicans rather then exploring rotten American system from all angles.

But you aren't. You have been doing what you were hired to do since you started talking shit on this forum. And that has been what Trump and Republicans want.

[Masark]

Largely the result of decades of right wing indoctrination thanks to shitbags like Murdoch and Rove.

Alternatively :

I think there's an argument to be made that decades of exposure to Murdoch-influenced "news" has, for significant portions of the population of Australia, the United States, and the United Kingdom, driven them insane for all practical purposes (and inflicted some degree of mental trauma on much of the rest).