1. #12321
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Ah, figured they would try and rig it to let him off the hook. Just hope they don't manage to rig the 2020 elections as well. If they get that far, I fear what the future holds for us as a nation, no matter where it goes from there, it would be bad.
    Well, the dems are basically nailing this. And they are forcing each vote which puts all these senators who are at risk on record. They will try to rig the elections again, but Trump has made some enemies too, like iran, It's not gonna just be russia trying to rig it this time. Our elections are basically fucked.

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  3. #12323
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Schumer is asking for stuff like documents and witnesses, McConnell is asking to table. The dems in congress argue well why it's a good idea, Trump's lawyers argue and lie poorly that it's a bad idea, and then they vote to table, which has passed 3 times now along party lines. They are on dinner break.
    The house needs to do this if the Senate won't. Call public witnesses, release testimony and evidence. Do the job the senate won't at the same time as the senate's fake trial.
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    I keep hearing people on news channels saying that people are going to be watching coverage all day. I assume they're primarily marketing themselves to the elderly since normal people of most ages are gainfully employed and don't actually have 9-5 free to watch their favorite political soap opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I keep hearing people on news channels saying that people are going to be watching coverage all day. I assume they're primarily marketing themselves to the elderly since normal people of most ages are gainfully employed and don't actually have 9-5 free to watch their favorite political soap opera.
    several people at my work today were listening to the audio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I keep hearing people on news channels saying that people are going to be watching coverage all day. I assume they're primarily marketing themselves to the elderly since normal people of most ages are gainfully employed and don't actually have 9-5 free to watch their favorite political soap opera.
    Clearly, you don't have a meaningful job, because most people I've worked with have the ability to pull up a news stream (and do).

    I've lost count of the amount of operators and board technicians with Fox in the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Clearly, you don't have a meaningful job, because most people I've worked with have the ability to pull up a news stream (and do).

    I've lost count of the amount of operators and board technicians with Fox in the background.
    Everything about this reply is pretty funny

  8. #12328
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Well, the dems are basically nailing this. And they are forcing each vote which puts all these senators who are at risk on record. They will try to rig the elections again, but Trump has made some enemies too, like iran, It's not gonna just be russia trying to rig it this time. Our elections are basically fucked.
    Glad to hear it, from what I am reading, the Republicans are basically trying to whore out the Constitution, Law and Order, the Nation and our own people's future just for political gain now.

    We REALLY need to keep an eye on our next elections, because it really feels like they will try something there given how dug in they are at this point and they know what happens when they lose power.

    It's like they don't care about their legacy at all at and at this point it is mere survival because once they are out of power, they are screwed possibly legally. What does Russia have on them at this point? I doubt Trump has any of it otherwise he would have leaked it bragging.
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  9. #12329
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    The house needs to do this if the Senate won't. Call public witnesses, release testimony and evidence. Do the job the senate won't at the same time as the senate's fake trial.
    They tried to, and the witnesses and white house told them to get fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    They tried to, and the witnesses and white house told them to get fucked.
    Then they need to start enforcing their power to subpoena and throw the book at those that don't respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Glad to hear it, from what I am reading, the Republicans are basically trying to whore out the Constitution, Law and Order, the Nation and our own people's future just for political gain now.

    We REALLY need to keep an eye on our next elections, because it really feels like they will try something there given how dug in they are at this point and they know what happens when they lose power.

    It's like they don't care about their legacy at all at and at this point it is mere survival because once they are out of power, they are screwed possibly legally. What does Russia have on them at this point? I doubt Trump has any of it otherwise he would have leaked it bragging.
    They don't care about their legacy. All they care about is judges. That's basically the only thing that get's voted on by the senate these days. That's how they stay in power and keep the system rigged by having judges in place to keep people from their voting rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Then they need to start enforcing their power to subpoena and throw the book at those that don't respond.
    Completely agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Clearly, you don't have a meaningful job, because most people I've worked with have the ability to pull up a news stream (and do).

    I've lost count of the amount of operators and board technicians with Fox in the background.
    Well it depends on the work site. When I was working commercial, it wasn't uncommon for people to have the news on for something like this. At my current job, nobody is watching it, because we are moving around a lot of heavy machinery and nobody is sitting down. It totally depends, I have been in both kind of jobs. I didn't hear any of it until the car on the way home.
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    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
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  13. #12333
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Are any Trump supporters in this forum REALLY okay with Trump and the GOP covering up evidence and denying witnesses?
    They are cheering it on.

    I guarantee you, that if Obama did this, they would have been calling for his head.

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    Everything about this reply is pretty funny
    Says the guy ignoring any and all evidence against Trump to do anything he can to support Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    They don't care about their legacy. All they care about is judges. That's basically the only thing that get's voted on by the senate these days. That's how they stay in power and keep the system rigged by having judges in place to keep people from their voting rights.
    And that can be completely undone the moment they lose power and honestly has a mandate to FORCE that done after what happened.

    They can remove Kavanaugh easy if they wanted to just by getting him for perjury since the statute of limitations is 5 years on that and has prison time.


    Really, I have posted it before by I would pass a law that the Supreme Court is no longer nominated by the president and no longer life time appointments but instead is rotated out from the lower courts every 6 to 12 months at random. No case that hits the docket while they are in session or has been selected can be seen by that set unless an emergency. If they clear their docket of their stuff, they can be rotated sooner and any case that runs after 12 months they can still finish in that capacity.

    Then, I would make it where the State Courts are no longer presidential nominees or lifetime appointments and instead are nominated by the Senators of that state where both must agree and must pass a qualification check that is nonpartisan. They can only serve for 10 years in that capacity with no chance of re-nomination.

    That right there undoes ALL of that within a decade at max.

    And if they actually look into Trump and McConnell after they are out and find they lied or did some fucked up shit like help a foreign enemy for political power, that creates the potential to taint the nomination of every one of them as they were nominated and passed by people with a vested interest to help a foreign power over their own which allows them all to effectively be nullified.

    Either way, that can be fixed and blown up with the level of fuckery they pulled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    They are cheering it on.

    I guarantee you, that if Obama did this, they would have been calling for his head.
    Well that is a given, they did that for anything Obama did, much less something like this. Still, so far this isn't particularly shady or unprecedented, like many are claiming. Some points of clarification for the impeachment proceedings:

    1) They are all public. This is a big deal, during the Clinton Impeachment, all the deliberating was in private, with no public access.

    2) So far they haven't voted against having witnesses or evidence. They tabled it, not voted it down. This matches precedent in the Clinton trial, and also follows the timeline that was already set out. The idea is to get all the opening arguments done, get a clear picture of the two positions, and then determine if they need to bring in Witnesses and Evidence to support either position. What Schumer was doing today was essentially grandstanding, which was a smart move on his part, because it definitely looked good on television, but it wasn't really going to pass. They will likely have the actual vote on Witnesses and evidence next week.

    3) As much as I hate it, this trial isn't really about the facts or evidence. The base facts are already pretty clearly established, the GOP just doesn't care. The entire trial is about optics and politics at this point. Both sides are really making a case to voters for 2020 here, and the positions of both sides clearly reflect that. It should be a trial for Donald Trump, but it isn't. It is a glorified political debate, with no real chance of any meaningful effects on this Administration (At least outside of the 2020 election).
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    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    man I cant wait till someone I know ends up at a trial.

    I will totally use the Trump/Moscow Mitch logic and tell the court there is no right or need to hear witnesses in a trial!!!!

    I am sure it will work!
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  17. #12337
    Fucking useless. Mulvaney isn't testifying. Fucking partisan hacks of the Republicans.

  18. #12338
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Fucking useless. Mulvaney isn't testifying. Fucking partisan hacks of the Republicans.
    Wait, it still going on?

    Edit: Never mind, they shit is fucked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I keep hearing people on news channels saying that people are going to be watching coverage all day. I assume they're primarily marketing themselves to the elderly since normal people of most ages are gainfully employed and don't actually have 9-5 free to watch their favorite political soap opera.
    Yeah not like people can't listen to it on twitch/youtube/cellphone etc.

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    The whole show goes well into the night.

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