Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Trunksee]

I don’t really understand why. It takes less than a minute to find out who the whistleblower is. They say it’s to protect him, but that’s a load of crap. If people really want to know who he is they can find out.

Would it surprise anyone now that Bolton has this book coming out that it was him?

[muto]

Would it surprise anyone now that Bolton has this book coming out that it was him?

It’s not him.

[zenkai]

Irrelevant.

The stuff about Schiff is from 2005, and you claimed nothing in your source was from 2005. So you either didn't read your own source, or were deliberately misrepresenting it, and are still doing so.



Nobody's saying the clips are fake. We're pointing out that they're not relevant. You've demonstrated that Schiff didn't think much of Bolton's character. So what? Republicans did. Schiff's not trying to hire the guy, he's trying to put him under oath and find out what he knows about the current issues, which he was clearly in a position where he could.

Feel free to attack Bolton's account on the facts, when he delivers it. All you're doing here is trying to attack his character, to try and forestall his testifying, and that's an attempt to bury the truth, not a push for honesty and justice.

No where did I say nothing was from 2005 I pointed out most of it was about today, only one clip was from 2005, if anyone is dishonest it's Belize who only looked at the top video and ignored the rest, then you backed it up. You're derailing this thread over nothing

It is relevant that Bolt never mentioned anything was done wrong about the Ukraine until now while he's trying to sell a book, he discredits himself

[Machismo]

Lol big picture to be honest. If he is not removed even with all the evidence it wont matter come election time. All that will matter is the point of why did he do it. If he did it and there is something to this Joe got his son this job that's all the drive by media will care about. I mean in all seriousness do you not believe that 95% of this country has already decided who they are voting for? The other 5% are not informed voters. The average informed voter already knows red or blue. THE Republicans other than 3 have already made their mind up on the entire case. There are also 3 Democrats in the same boat. It looks like any republican flip will be negated by a dem flip at this point. Manchin has basically showed hes voting acquittal. If its proven that Biden was tied in or it even looks that way that's what Trump is going to run on and the average undecided voter will only care that Trump was fighting corruption.

So, you have admitted that you don't care about his racism, or his corruption... got it.

We know why he did it, to win an election, and attack a political opponent. Your support of corruption is noted.

[Belize]

I don’t really understand why. It takes less than a minute to find out who the whistleblower is. They say it’s to protect him, but that’s a load of crap. If people really want to know who he is they can find out.

Can you prove 100% you know who the WB is?

Because all of the others that said they did were wrong and caused enraged Trumpkins to send unrelated people death threats.

Be careful in your assertions.

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No where did I say nothing was from 2005 I pointed out most of it was about today, only one clip was from 2005, if anyone is dishonest it's Belize who only looked at the top video and ignored the rest, then you backed it up. You're derailing this thread over nothing

Pointing out that you're digging stuff up from 2005 is not me derailing the thread.

Belize said you were digging stuff up from 2005. One of the clips you were citing is from 2005. Belize was 100% correct.

It is relevant that Bolt never mentioned anything was done wrong about the Ukraine until now while he's trying to sell a book, he discredits himself

That's reason to think badly of Bolton's character. And a lot of us do.

It's not a reason to think he's not credible.

Two completely unrelated issues.

[Trunksee]

So, you have admitted that you don't care about his racism, or his corruption... got it.

We know why he did it, to win an election, and attack a political opponent. Your support of corruption is noted.

What I am getting at is that it doesn't matter what the informed person thinks. At this point no one who is informed is still deciding who to vote for.... the undecided are usually uninformed waiting for someone or something to sway them. If you are undecided at this point no ones testimony other than Biden is going to sway you. This is the point I don't think a lot of people are looking at. And I ll stand for a bit of corruption if we completely swing the judiciary to be honest. At this point hes the best candidate to win... I may not like him but a lot less people are likely to vote for a less polarizing figure. We will have to see because this election is up to the 3 to 5% of people who will make a decision in the last 3 weeks coming up to the election. The senate can be crazy and fight about it all they want it wont matter in the end until 20 years down the road and then all that will matter is who is in power to set up the SCOTUS

[Machismo]

What I am getting at is that it doesn't matter what the informed person thinks. At this point no one who is informed is still deciding who to vote for.... the undecided are usually uninformed waiting for someone or something to sway them. If you are undecided at this point no ones testimony other than Biden is going to sway you. This is the point I don't think a lot of people are looking at. And I ll stand for a bit of corruption if we completely swing the judiciary to be honest. At this point hes the best candidate to win... I may not like him but a lot less people are likely to vote for a less polarizing figure. We will have to see because this election is up to the 3 to 5% of people who will make a decision in the last 3 weeks coming up to the election. The senate can be crazy and fight about it all they want it wont matter in the end until 20 years down the road and then all that will matter is who is in power to set up the SCOTUS

I know exactly what you are getting at, you are saying that those people will never care how terrible Trump is, they will still support him.

Everyone has been afforded the information. They are either informed, or misinformed. "I had no idea" is not an excuse, it's no different than, "I don't care that he's a corrupt racist." It's the same fucking thing.

"I'm cool with corruption and racism, so long as my guy wins." You aren't tolerating or putting up with the corruption, it's what you want. His corruption and racism are not a bug, they are a feature.

When people liken Trump to Hitler, it's because of nonsense like this. You guys will support anything he does, no matter what.

[Trunksee]

I know exactly what you are getting at, you are saying that those people will never care how terrible Trump is, they will still support him.

Everyone has been afforded the information. They are either informed, or misinformed. "I had no idea" is not an excuse, it's no different than, "I don't care that he's a corrupt racist." It's the same fucking thing.

"I'm cool with corruption and racism, so long as my guy wins." You aren't tolerating or putting up with the corruption, it's what you want. His corruption and racism are not a bug, they are a feature.

Sigh... yes that is exactly where 43% of America is coming from. WE DONT CARE as long as he wins and sets republican policy. When the dems figure out to do the same thing they will win again. If they don't go full trumpkin backing Bernie who is the only polarizing figure other than Bloomberg on that side the other 2 candidates wont swing voters who are undecided. He is being back because he has the best chance to win. That is how far apart the two sides have become. Its now desperation to block the other side. All they have to do is portray this as corruption fighting corruption and its a win.

[Machismo]

Sigh... yes that is exactly where 43% of America is coming from. WE DONT CARE as long as he wins and sets republican policy. When the dems figure out to do the same thing they will win again. If they don't go full trumpkin backing Bernie who is the only polarizing figure other than Bloomberg on that side the other 2 candidates wont swing voters who are undecided. He is being back because he has the best chance to win. That is how far apart the two sides have become. Its now desperation to block the other side.

Great, you don't care how terrible he is, how racist he is, or any of his actions. That means you are not worth engaging, because you are supporting an unlimited amount of corruption.

Don't blame others for being divided, because you are admitting that it's literally your fault.

Everyone who compared him to Hitler was dead-on accurate, thanks for confirming that. His followers (you) would support him if he murdered someone on live television, and raped a child... so long as you got a judge appointed.

[Trunksee]

Great, you don't care how terrible he is, how racist he is, or any of his actions. That means you are not worth engaging, because you are supporting an unlimited amount of corruption.

Don't blame others for being divided, because you are admitting that it's literally your fault.

Everyone who compared him to Hitler was dead-on accurate, thanks for confirming that. His followers (you) would support him if he murdered someone on live television, and raped a child... so long as you got a judge appointed.

Don't go full crazy on me. There are limits this just isn't one of them. This is basically viewed as an attack ad which in itself annoying but they aren't always truly accurate in their message. Yes he can go to far so far we are not there. I am trying to show you that this whole process will not matter 1 bit in the end and you just brush it off like I am not worth talking to because you disagree with my viewpoints. You better get used to a lot of this because its going to come from your side if they lose this election.

[Machismo]

Don't go full crazy on me. There are limits this just isn't one of them. This is basically viewed as an attack ad which in itself annoying but they aren't always truly accurate in their message. Yes he can go to far so far we are not there.

You stated you don't care how corrupt he is, and so far, we have seen no limits to what you guys are willing to support. So, what you say doesn't really matter, because we've seen you guys defend every single action this far. There's no indication your support for him will stop, to include murder and rape.

Mind you, this is your argument, you don't care. I'm simply extrapolating that out, because you said what you wanted, regardless of what he does. SO, I vehemently stand by what I said, he could murder someone on live television, and rape a child, and people will still only care about getting a SCOTUS seat filled with another neo-fascist.

I agree, this whole process won't matter, because you people don't care how racist or corrupt he is. You are literally agreeing with me.

As for my side, I'm a small-government conservative. I'm neither Democrat, nor national socialist... I mean GOP. And yes, that's exactly what the GOP has become. There's nothing small-government about them.

[Trunksee]

You stated you don't care how corrupt he is, and so far, we have seen no limits to what you guys are willing to support. So, what you say doesn't really matter, because we've seen you guys defend every single action this far. There's no indication your support for him will stop, to include murder and rape.

Mind you, this is your argument, you don't care. I'm simply extrapolating that out, because you said what you wanted, regardless of what he does. SO, I vehemently stand by what I said, he could murder someone on live television, and rape a child, and people will still only care about getting a SCOTUS seat filled with another neo-fascist.

This is what you get when both sides are now so far apart on key issues. People are willing to do anything in support of their candidates. The left caused this by pushing the agenda further and further left. Blame goes both ways. The two sides are to far apart at this point in my opinion so yes I am willing to accept certain misdeeds to protect certain things we believe in.

[Machismo]

This is what you get when both sides are now so far apart on key issues. People are willing to do anything in support of their candidates. The left caused this by pushing the agenda further and further left. Blame goes both ways. The two sides are to far apart at this point in my opinion so yes I am willing to accept certain misdeeds to protect certain things we believe in.

Great, you agree with me, you will do anything to support your candidate... no matter what.

Blaming the left, because you support racism and corruption... is a stupid argument.

Exactly where is that line, where you will no longer support Trump? You claim to have limits (I think you are lying), so I want to know exactly where that limit is.

For the record, since you have stated you support him, even though you know he's racist, then you have no cause to complain when people call you racist, because you are proving your support of it. So, thanks for admitting to that, once and for all.

[bladeXcrasher]

This is what you get when both sides are now so far apart on key issues. People are willing to do anything in support of their candidates. The left caused this by pushing the agenda further and further left. Blame goes both ways. The two sides are to far apart at this point in my opinion so yes I am willing to accept certain misdeeds to protect certain things we believe in.

Oh get over yourself, this shit pre-dates Newt Gingrich weaponization of c-span. Anything happening in the democrat camp is due to a response of decades of shit from the GOP.

[muto]

Can you prove 100% you know who the WB is?

Because all of the others that said they did were wrong and caused enraged Trumpkins to send unrelated people death threats.

Be careful in your assertions.

Pretty damn certain. The evidence is overwhelming.

[Machismo]

Pretty damn certain. The evidence is overwhelming.

Like what?

[Belize]

Pretty damn certain. The evidence is overwhelming.

Show your work.

[Trunksee]

Oh get over yourself, this shit pre-dates Newt Gingrich weaponization of c-span. Anything happening in the democrat camp is due to a response of decades of shit from the GOP.

I don't disagree with that point. The problem is it is now 10x worse going the other way or at least the media is portraying it that way. I really look at all the media and its gotten really bad. Its no longer news on any channel its just about ratings. Its really hard to read any paper or watch any US news channel and not see bias on both sides which in turn drives an even larger wedge into the country. The push for gender equality has really gone to far just as the push to overturn roe v wade also with 2A.

Do you want me to support another Mitt Romney who has no chance of winning? Trump has a good chance to win this election and no one can deny that. I supported Buddy Cianci in Rhode Island who was probably one of the most corrupt mayors in history but he got things done and he was a democrat.

Also calling me racist is far from the worst thing ive been called and ill deal with it. Call me whatever you want it really doesn't bother me at all, it kind of makes me laugh that you have to try to put me down to make yourself feel better.

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Pretty damn certain. The evidence is overwhelming.

Not a good idea to post like this with out at least posting the evidence so other people can figure it out like you did or at least see what your thought process is

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I can't get over the fact that this is literally the Trump defense teams argument, led by Dershowitz -