Calia new leader of the forsaken?

[Combatbutler]

I feel like its mainly horde aligned players who really really like Sylvanas.

Lets look at it objectively shall we.

Calia:
Has no real connection to the forsaken, except her name
Has no leadership skills
Has no tactical knowledge
Has no diplomatic experience
Is most likely a naaru puppet
Is basically just human, suffering no characteristically drawbacks of undeath, meaning she simply can't understand those who suffer from that.
Hasn't been part of the forsaken for pretty much their entire existence
Is incredibly naive

She just does not fit. She lacks basic qualifications for any kind of leadership position.

[Kwento]

Lets look at it objectively shall we.

Calia:
Has no real connection to the forsaken, except her name
Has no leadership skills
Has no tactical knowledge
Has no diplomatic experience
Is most likely a naaru puppet
Is basically just human, suffering no characteristically drawbacks of undeath, meaning she simply can't understand those who suffer from that.
Hasn't been part of the forsaken for pretty much their entire existence
Is incredibly naive

She just does not fit. She lacks basic qualifications for any kind of leadership position.

But she has HEART! And in a World of Warcraft, that is obviously the only thing that matters!

[Vineman24]

Bob the Forsaken who is disillusioned with life under Sylvanas and wants to take advantage of his freedom, who's fought in the fronts and helped secure their unlives but now sees them being used as accessories by their leader and resolves to stand up, even reaching out to those who previously rejected them would be much better. Bob would actually be a Forsaken for a start and experience the Scourge, the Scarlet Crusade, the Horde and so forth. Bob would also actually have fought for his people and done something for them, and he would see how what he initially had doesn't gel with the current Sylvanas's micromanaging. It would not be good, I stress, but it'd be a story wherein the Forsaken themselves have agency - they decide they won't stand for something that was less than what they earned. Instead, change is induced externally by a character who has no connection with them whatsoever except the family name and the geographic location withotu whom they're lost lambs and victims.

This is clearly mr. Marris, he needs only to be derailed from Sylvanas' puppet role, what imho wouldn't be retcon like crying sadsakens but evolution and growing of character. At least he already showed some signs of bewilderment when Si ordered to burn the tree.

[Yuugumo]

Lets look at it objectively shall we.

Calia:
Has no real connection to the forsaken, except her name
Has no leadership skills
Has no tactical knowledge
Has no diplomatic experience
Is most likely a naaru puppet
Is basically just human, suffering no characteristically drawbacks of undeath, meaning she simply can't understand those who suffer from that.
Hasn't been part of the forsaken for pretty much their entire existence
Is incredibly naive

She just does not fit. She lacks basic qualifications for any kind of leadership position.

-She is undead, just like they are. The source of what raised her is different, thats all.
-You cant know about leadership and diplomatic skills, she was a princess, they get different education.
-Naaru speculation again.
-Who knows what drawbacks shes suffering.

All in all, She is the daughter of the deceased King of Lordaeron, and monarchy works...that way.

[Nathasil]

No race should be lead by a member of another race. Sylvanas leading the Forsaken as a race that is only playable for undead Lordaeron Humans naver was a good choice. The Forsaken as a freed branch of the Scourge with members of many different races...sure, no problem, but the way the Forsaken are and have always been in WoW? No.

Calia is an undead human and member of the original royal family of Lordaeron. She is the perfect option.

Horde players who do not want an undead human to lead any of their races should ask themselves why they are not looking down upon the actual RACE of undead humans in their faction then.

[Combatbutler]

-She is undead, just like they are. The source of what raised her is different, thats all.

Her resurrection was peaceful, no forsaken new or old was ever brought back peacefully. Nor is there any hint of her soul being imperfectly attached and as such her suffering or craving flesh of the living etc.

-You cant know about leadership and diplomatic skills, she was a princess, they get different education.

Her very own admission, she did receive no such education.

-Naaru speculation again.

Which is why I said most likely

-Who knows what drawbacks shes suffering.

Considering that her state of undeath freed her from her suffering, I'd say not at all

All in all, She is the daughter of the deceased King of Lordaeron, and monarchy works...that way.

Except that the people rebelled against that very house and installed a new monarch, now they can elevate someone else to be king and queen ,but the one who literally did nothing for them ever since they were created is quite a stretch isn't it?


Calia has almost nothing going for her, except being a token menethil

[Friendlyimmolation]

No race should be lead by a member of another race. Sylvanas leading the Forsaken as a race that is only playable for undead Lordaeron Humans naver was a good choice. The Forsaken as a freed branch of the Scourge with members of many different races...sure, no problem, but the way the Forsaken are and have always been in WoW? No.

Calia is an undead human and member of the original royal family of Lordaeron. She is the perfect option.

Horde players who do not want an undead human to lead any of their races should ask themselves why they are not looking down upon the actual RACE of undead humans in their faction then.

Your standards for what makes a good race leader is abysmal if you think because she is an undead human Calia is the perfect candidate

[Nathasil]

Your standards for what makes a good race leader is abysmal if you think because she is an undead human Calia is the perfect candidate

I gave more than this reason. Your standards for who cannot be a good leader are abysmal, if you think a candidate who is in a friendly relation with anybody on the Alliance is a bad choice by default.

To elaborate: There are two ways you can look at "finding a purpose in existence" as a Forsaken:
#1 The Scourge (and now Sylvanas) way: Hating life, spreading (un)death and the preservation/dominance of (un)death over life+hope
#2 Something else.

If you root for #1 then there are plenty of leaders available fór you, but obviously there is no place for this option in the Horde, as the Horde is comprised of LIVING races mostly which will not take well to you hating life and hope.

If you root for #2 Calia is a good option, as obviously she was able to help Derek with exactly this problem.

As for the people who say "She could have helped the Forsaken sooner!"...look at all of the leaders in WoW:
- Galliwyx took a shit on his people and tried to enslave them - but remained leader because Thrall thought it was funny.
- Thrall left the Horde 2 times to be a farmer...and only returned because he wasn't good at plowing weed.
- The Blood Elves were forsaken by Kael'thas and while Lorthemar seems to actually care, people still hate him because he talks with the Alliance too much.
- Tyrande litterally took a hearthstone before Teldrassil burned and cannot even be found in the game right now anywhere.
- Vol'jin made a death-cult-psycho-chic leader of his beloved faction because the vapors of his weed told him so.
- Genn built a wall around his nation. No leader who loves his people builds a wall around them.
- Velen lead his race from one genocide into the next. And then took them home, back to genocide.
- Mekkatorque could not reclaim Gnomeregan from lvl30 Troggs in more than 15 years of trying!!!

I would say Calia taking 15 years to get back to her epople is totally in line with the rest of them.

[Friendlyimmolation]

I gave more than this reason. Your standards for who cannot be a good leader are abysmal, if you think a candidate who is in a friendly realtion with anybody on the Alliance is a bad choice by default.

When their defining "characteristic" is that they are a female Anduin with mary sue magical undeath without any of the downsides and have zero fucking clue how the Forsaken function or how to empathize or identify them at all, yes, Calia is the absolute worst option for Forsaken leader.

The fact that they are another "Peace, love and hugs" character is just icing on the pinnacle that is the shitcake that is the idea of Calia leading the Forsaken.

[Seradi]

thank god.
maybe there will be even the purge of hippie forsaken

Best case scenario atm is that all these sad sack Forsaken that have been popping up since BtS just leave for good and join the Alliance under Calia so that actual Forsaken can retain their well established identity.

I see a lot of Alliance players clamoring for the Forsaken to be led by Calia so the race can be white washed to something they find less offensive. You can have that identity. I don’t know a single Forsaken main who picked up the race asking for that identity.

[mickybrighteyes]

Best case scenario atm is that all these sad sack Forsaken that have been popping up since BtS just leave for good and join the Alliance under Calia so that actual Forsaken can retain their well established identity.

I see a lot of Alliance players clamoring for the Forsaken to be led by Calia so the race can be white washed to something they find less offensive. You can have that identity. I don’t know a single Forsaken main who picked up the race asking for that identity.

hell even the more moderate forsaken mindsets likely would still find their ideal more akin to Voss than anything Calia represents.

[Aucald]

hell even the more moderate forsaken mindsets likely would still find their ideal more akin to Voss than anything Calia represents.

That would depend on how many Forsaken remain in the mold of the Desolate Council members after Sylvanas' effective purge in "Before the Storm" - I would imagine any of them would be quite receptive of the kind of messaging Calia would prone to. But yes, both moderate and more hard-line Forsaken would probably be more receptive to Voss, especially given both her general attitude and her relative closeness to Sylvanas. Voss strikes me as the ideal Forsaken leader right now, as well. She is obviously not as far gone as Sylvanas is into nihilistic self-interest, but she retains an air of practicality and pragmatism that the Forsaken will need in the days ahead.