Todd Phillips Left Comedy to Make ‘Joker’ Because ‘Woke Culture’

[Grimbold21]

Always need to post this small sample when this subject comes up.

[BigToast]

May I recommend Anthony Jesilnik, Lisa Lamponelli, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle, Jeff Ross. All doing very well with non-PC comedy. Up your game, hacks.

[Nnyco]

Makes the same shit basically for a decade, wonders why no one finds it funny anymore.

[Draco-Onis]

So wait, are we supposed to feel bad that we got the Joker instead of Hangover 5 or whatever?

Thank you for saying it, I always thought his comedies were complete and utter shit popular yes but so are the Kardashians.

[Endus]

I mean Louis C.K. is a great example. He had huge success with his comedy on taboo subjects for years. He didn't get kicked out of public discourse for any of his material.

Plus, what happened to Louis? He voluntarily took a year "off" after apologizing for his conduct, and now he's playing comedy clubs again, to a lot of acclaim, again.

It's seriously "rich person who did a bad thing faces, like, some consequences". That's what people are claiming is some society-killing "thing".

Dave Chappelle's recent special (his what, 500th?) did huge business despite the supposed "backlash". Which consisted of some bad reviews... like who the fuck looks at professional reviewers before watching a Netflix comedy special? LOL. Honestly I half expect to find out any day now that his publicist arranged the whole thing because being "cancelled" is a big money maker these days...

Plus, let's check RT; https://rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_ch...cks_and_stones

Hmm, 99% audience approval. Sure, the critics are a bit harsher, but the chief criticisms aren't about anything being "offensive".

How about Bill Burr's recent special, Paper Tiger? https://rottentomatoes.com/m/bill_burr_paper_tiger

86% critics, 97% audience.

Won't someone think of the poor offensive comedians who are still garnering acclaim and making lots of money doing exactly what they've always been doing. Comedy is fine.

[Machismo]

Am I the only one who thought Dave Chapelle's most recent stand-up special was mediocre as hell?

[Bodakane]

Phillips: "Waaaaaahhhhhh, I'm tired of societal repercussions, wahhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm taking my comedy ball and going home, even though I never caught flack for any of my comedy movies, waaaaaahhhhhh. I'm going to make serious and dark movies now!"

<Makes Joker, and catches flack for the film's message>

[zenkai]

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Honestly if Todd Phillips hadn't mentioned anything, I would never have thought to be offended by anything he has done now or in the past, him along with Dave Chappelle and a few others.

They can't phone it in any more, they decide themselves to cater to audiences, then they get upset because like everything else with time people change, society progresses.

By the way I enjoyed the Hang Over 1 and yeah looking back at it now, there are for sure some things that are offensive. It still funny which doesn't mean I condone it, it just means it is what it was.

I also was interested in seeing Joker, because frankly I like the trailer and the fact it looks unlike so many other comic movies now.


But what do you think.

Should comedy like all forms of art progress?

Is there anything you loved or enjoyed back then you kind of look at a bit differently now?

Lastly do you think in some things are just terrible, that others use as the excuse "People are too offended now"?

Personally there is no end to the shit I personally find offensive, but at the same time I can appreciate not everything is for me, and my subjective view isn't what makes what is or isn't good or funny over all.

This is odd, I was just told in another thread that cancel culture doesn't exist, hmm.

[Strangebrew]

To quote Dan Olson:

Dude's just mad 15 year old sketch comedians on TikTok are making funnier stuff in 20 seconds than he has in an entire career.

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Give you an idea of how totally better than the safe space SJWs these comedic geniuses are, let's look at some quotes by Adam Carolla and Todd Phillips!





Remind me who the snowflakes are, again?

You're going to quote someone who despite, being so "progressive" was exposed for sharing and posting actual very real CP on a certain image board in an attempt to smear said site? Ok then


Todd is 100% right.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Comedy's doing absolutely fine. There's offensive comedies pushing boundaries the last few years that couldn't have been made a few decades ago, with how many lines they cross.

Blaming your audience because they're not laughing is bullshit. Maybe you're just not as funny as you think you are. Or you've confused "being a dick" with "being funny".

Also, there's a heaping dose of "whiny millionaire whines that he's finding it awkward to keep making millions in one field and thus has effortlessly switched to a related field and continued making millions without any identifiable negative impacts" going on, here.

While I don't full agree with Phillips complaints; there is a massive difference between "not laughing" and "demanding someone not do/say that."

I mean, the Hangover was okay and all, and that may not be a movie for you Endus, so maybe you just don't watch it as opposed to trying to get it banned or something... (not that I am accusing you of doing that)

I mean shit on this guy, but Steve Carrell said The Office wouldn't work these days because it crosses lines... then I see Huffpost or Buzzfeed write an article about the "20 most offensive jokes on the Office..." and then I think, maybe these two guys are somewhat right?

[Bodakane]

While I don't full agree with Phillips complaints; there is a massive difference between "not laughing" and "demanding someone not do/say that."

I mean, the Hangover was okay and all, and that may not be a movie for you Endus, so maybe you just don't watch it as opposed to trying to get it banned or something... (not that I am accusing you of doing that)

I mean shit on this guy, but Steve Carrell said The Office wouldn't work these days because it crosses lines... then I see Huffpost or Buzzfeed write an article about the "20 most offensive jokes on the Office..." and then I think, maybe these two guys are somewhat right?

You mean the same The Office show that has become such a cult classic that Netflix is worried about their numbers when the show leaves their service?

If everyone is offended how would that happen?

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I'm so, so, so, so sick of people crying about political correctness.

People are allowed to say offensive things and other people are allowed to be upset by those things. Businesses are allowed to choose who they do business with. People are allowed to choose what businesses they patronize.

Everything is working as intended.

[Endus]

While I don't full agree with Phillips complaints; there is a massive difference between "not laughing" and "demanding someone not do/say that."

The people in question have literally no capacity to force these people to do/not do anything.

Literally all they can do is "not laugh" and say "you're not funny because you're just mean and nasty".

I mean shit on this guy, but Steve Carrell said The Office wouldn't work these days because it crosses lines... then I see Huffpost or Buzzfeed write an article about the "20 most offensive jokes on the Office..." and then I think, maybe these two guys are somewhat right?

And yet, The Office remains beloved and nobody's attacking anyone over it.

Could we make the same jokes today? Probably not. Because society isn't the same, and as society changes, so does our media, if it wants to remain relevant. It isn't because they're "too offensive".

And seriously; South Park is going strong. That show actively tries to be as offensive as they can be. If what you folks are talking about were in any way true, that show would have crashed and burned a hundred times by now. And it hasn't.

Because you're not actually right about this.

[Elegiac]

You're going to quote someone who despite, being so "progressive" was exposed for sharing and posting actual very real CP on a certain image board in an attempt to smear said site? Ok then


Todd is 100% right.

Lol, miss me with that 8chan conspiracy garbage. They’re perfectly capable of hosting child pornography and fascism without anyone needing to frame them for it.

[Dezerte]

Yeah, right... *continues watching Deadpool*

[kidstechno]

George Carlin summarizes it perfectly:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1177932857261453314

It's funny because if Carlin was alive and practicing today he'd be eaten alive by these same people complaining about "PC" and "Woke" culture, even though Carlin is among one of the best comics of all time, without question.

It's a failure to look introspectively to see WHY your comedy isn't working. It's also a reflection on society that people, instead of doing this introspection and critical thinking and examination, they just blame whatever group they can target that is below them on the power scale.

Punch up, not down.

[BigToast]

George Carlin summarizes it perfectly:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1177932857261453314

It's funny because if Carlin was alive and practicing today he'd be eaten alive by these same people complaining about "PC" and "Woke" culture, even though Carlin is among one of the best comics of all time, without question.

It's a failure to look introspectively to see WHY your comedy isn't working. It's also a reflection on society that people, instead of doing this introspection and critical thinking and examination, they just blame whatever group they can target that is below them on the power scale.

Punch up, not down.

Wow, if there was any doubt that Carlin was a prophet; this ends that. Amazing.

[Monster Hunter]

Honestly if Todd Phillips hadn't mentioned anything, I would never have thought to be offended by anything he has done now or in the past, him along with Dave Chappelle and a few others.

They can't phone it in any more, they decide themselves to cater to audiences, then they get upset because like everything else with time people change, society progresses.

By the way I enjoyed the Hang Over 1 and yeah looking back at it now, there are for sure some things that are offensive. It still funny which doesn't mean I condone it, it just means it is what it was.

I also was interested in seeing Joker, because frankly I like the trailer and the fact it looks unlike so many other comic movies now.


But what do you think.

Should comedy like all forms of art progress?

Is there anything you loved or enjoyed back then you kind of look at a bit differently now?

Lastly do you think in some things are just terrible, that others use as the excuse "People are too offended now"?

Personally there is no end to the shit I personally find offensive, but at the same time I can appreciate not everything is for me, and my subjective view isn't what makes what is or isn't good or funny over all.

Progress can be in a more than one direction,

Dark humour will always exhist. Dead babie jokes will never go away, the more you fight it the further they will push it.

What he's really saying he don't want to be bothered with the hassle.

He dosnt want to be one of the Giordano Bruno, burned at the twitter stake by a few frothing over sensative's on account of a joke, that's fine.

But it dosnt mean tastes over all have changed much, jackass is still funny to alot of people, so is South Park and many many other forms of offensive humour, because we are humans and we on the whole find dark things funny.

This is a phenomena of social media, where small minority voices appear much larger than they actualy are and thus people are reacting as if it is something larger than it is.

Woke culture is a myth, but its a myth that pushing the world towards the opposite in reaction if anything is changing.

[Elegiac]

What he's really saying he don't want to be bothered with the hassle.

Nah it's funnier if you read it like Joker is a punishment for us not liking the Hangover sequels.

[Amerissis]

Well, as long as people like Anthony Jeselnik are still making comedy, I think you can be offensive all you want. You can't be downright sexist or racist, but you can be offensive just fine.

[BigToast]

Well, as long as people like Anthony Jeselnik are still making comedy, I think you can be offensive all you want. You can't be downright sexist or racist, but you can be offensive just fine.

I'll add you should be clever, also.

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Let's be honest though, Mr. Phillips, I'm sure you left comedy to make Joker because "holy shit, they are going to let ME do a dark character study of one of the most famous villains of all time? What an opportunity!" This really just smacks of playing the PC card for more media coverage, which I am surprised he needs for this film.