How much is too much? (Corpse Camping)

[buddhapunch09]

Out of interest, what do you think differentiates a pvp realm from a pve one? Remember, if you want a gentleman's planned 1v1 against the other faction, you can flag for pvp and allow the other person to do the same, and if you want large scale balanced pvp, the BG's exist for that. Large scale Wpvp can still exist on a pve realm if everyone just flags, so what exactly do you think the point of a pvp realm is?

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Corpse camping is corpse camping - the players level shouldnt really factor into it.

I agree with this!
Also side note as Im writing this im getting camped by a ??Gnome Warlock hahah. Im pretty sure hes in his 50s.

I dont really thinks its bad, in a morality sense. Its a game...
I get the same kind of energy when I use to play call of duty or halo games. Trying to go after that one guy that kept killing me before he does tbags lol... I definitely take priority in killing him first every chance I get. He needs to suffer

[Adamas102]

Out of interest, what do you think differentiates a pvp realm from a pve one? Remember, if you want a gentleman's planned 1v1 against the other faction, you can flag for pvp and allow the other person to do the same, and if you want large scale balanced pvp, the BG's exist for that. Large scale Wpvp can still exist on a pve realm if everyone just flags, so what exactly do you think the point of a pvp realm is?

I spent over a decade on a PVP realm and true WPVP happened very rarely. I can't speak to what exactly the developers had in mind when they decided to have realms where PVP was turned on all the time. Maybe they pictured impromptu duels and large scale world PVP. The reality for the most part was just ganking and griefing.

[korijenkins]

Agreed. Especially against low levels, there's no feat in it at all.

The feat for me was in getting level 1 alts to rage at me, or getting friend requests filled with toxicity. Anyone who asked me to stop nicely, I always let go, but the ones who raged and spewed racial slurs got camped massive hard. It's also not my fault that as a pvper there was literally nothing to do in MoP during long queue times.

And I was fair to them too. If they showed up on their 90s, I would fight them and kill them, but usually they showed up with several and I had to kill them all. (I was a WW monk in MoP, it was very easy to win 2 or 3 on 1 fights)

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I spent over a decade on a PVP realm and true WPVP happened very rarely. I can't speak to what exactly the developers had in mind when they decided to have realms where PVP was turned on all the time. Maybe they pictured impromptu duels and large scale world PVP. The reality for the most part was just ganking and griefing.

They expected duels and battles, but they never got it because there was never any effort put into making those a natural occurrence.

[Adamas102]

I agree with this!
Also side note as Im writing this im getting camped by a ??Gnome Warlock hahah. Im pretty sure hes in his 50s.

I dont really thinks its bad, in a morality sense. Its a game...
I get the same kind of energy when I use to play call of duty or halo games. Trying to go after that one guy that kept killing me before he does tbags lol... I definitely take priority in killing him first every chance I get. He needs to suffer

It's not a problem with the game. It's the mentality you seem to have.

Corpse camping is also NOTHING like playing an FPS. That would be more akin to joining a BG or arena. That's real PVP, where everyone knows what they're getting into and skill, team tactics, and luck are the determining factors.

[Kynario]

Once or twice. Then move along and let the player be after you've proved your point.

I don't kill lowbies myself. It's pathetic. Pick on people your own size. Enough said.

[THEORACLE64]

It depends. If you’re a higher level (like ??) then it’s griefing regardless. If it’s same level then it depends if you started to them first if they’ve been starting shit - someone once asked me to help kill someone as he was a little bit lower (the player was red to them) and I said no, until they explained they’d been going around ganking and starting on lower level players. Doing it over and over just because you can at any level is a dick move honestly.

[Shaetha]

Out of interest, what do you think differentiates a pvp realm from a pve one? Remember, if you want a gentleman's planned 1v1 against the other faction, you can flag for pvp and allow the other person to do the same, and if you want large scale balanced pvp, the BG's exist for that. Large scale Wpvp can still exist on a pve realm if everyone just flags, so what exactly do you think the point of a pvp realm is?

PVP servers only exist so people with inferiority complexes can kill players that have no chance to fight back. That is the only thing you get from a PVP server that you don't get from a normal server.

[Tojara]

You have to do something stupid to have me actually camp people.

I generally operate on a warpath mentality, when I feel like PvP. Essentially I'll just kill whatever I run into, and move on, never really camping people. The only time it might feel like camping is if it's location that's highly contested for farm. You can't cry if you want to farm furbolgs in WS and people keep killing you.

The most organic wPvP to me is fighting for contested farm areas, city raids, or just finding people to kill from time to time. World PvP however does encompass everything though, so those people who pick on lowbies constantly, or just target the same person over and over again are allowed to do it, even if people might frown upon it.

[arkanon]

PVP servers only exist so people with inferiority complexes can kill players that have no chance to fight back. That is the only thing you get from a PVP server that you don't get from a normal server.

Bingo Bango.

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I spent over a decade on a PVP realm and true WPVP happened very rarely. I can't speak to what exactly the developers had in mind when they decided to have realms where PVP was turned on all the time. Maybe they pictured impromptu duels and large scale world PVP. The reality for the most part was just ganking and griefing.

Bingo Bango

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I agree with this!
Also side note as Im writing this im getting camped by a ??Gnome Warlock hahah. Im pretty sure hes in his 50s.

I dont really thinks its bad, in a morality sense. Its a game...
I get the same kind of energy when I use to play call of duty or halo games. Trying to go after that one guy that kept killing me before he does tbags lol... I definitely take priority in killing him first every chance I get. He needs to suffer

BINGO BANGO

[Asaliah]

I always laugh when I hear world PvP, it's highly hypocritical. It's just ganking as a rogue as they are awfully OP for PvP.

[jakeic]

I spent over a decade on a PVP realm and true WPVP happened very rarely. I can't speak to what exactly the developers had in mind when they decided to have realms where PVP was turned on all the time. Maybe they pictured impromptu duels and large scale world PVP. The reality for the most part was just ganking and griefing.

They pictured ganking and griefing, they specifically made areas that would cause strife so people would fight the opposing faction. The game was meant to fit into the Warcraft genre, fighting other players is natural in that sense, even if they are not capable of fighting back.

The funny thing is that WoW was never particularly punishing when it came to the pvp aspect of the mmorpg experience. You lost no durability, you lost no gold, you lost no experience, the only thing that happens to you is that you have to run back to your body, yet somehow even this tiny hurdle is considered offensive in today's gaming standards. Games have become so sanitary, they control all interactions, they purposefully create only one experience and that experience is one where players face only the mildest adversity, almost strictly in the form of scripted events where you press a single button.

The whole thing makes me feel like I'm an old man yelling at others to get off my lawn.

[Noct]

I'll corpse camp until I get bored but only when someone kills me when I was clearly at a disadvantage (ex. killing a pack of mobs). Must prove to them they are trash who can only win when they have a clear advantage.

Other than that I never camp and seldom randomly attack people. I'm a 56 rogue on a PvP server.

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I always laugh when I hear world PvP, it's highly hypocritical. It's just ganking as a rogue as they are awfully OP for PvP.

Mages, warlocks, and hunters are all quite strong in world PvP. Asshole rogues are just the ones who can take the most advantage of an unsuspecting low health dude.

For example, let's say a rogue is attacking a mob and suddenly he gets hunter mark'd and concussive shot'd by a hunter at max range. How exactly is the "OP" rogue supposed to come out on top? A warlock and mage could respond to this situation far easier.

[cparle87]

I'll kill anyone I see who is high enough level to give me a bloody coin. Then I'll continue on my way. If we cross paths later I'll kill you again. But I won't sit by your body and kill you again unless I'm having to remain in the area waiting for a spawn or doing a WQ. Then I'll kill you every time I see you. Got 8 bloody coins in one sitting once cause this lowbie didn't realize that trying to attack me to pass the time waiting for Sha of Anger to spawn was not a smart move. He ended up with a rez timer and missed the kill.

[Aleksej89]

If you feel like killing then kill and get moving.
Corpse camping is always a dick move especially against defenseless targets.

Its like kicking a person that is down on the floor repeatedly over and over... pointless and shameful, get those EPEEN points in some actually challenging ways.

[Soimu]

people ganking low level players over and over just to make his life difficult just shows his real personality and in real life situation if he gets some power at work or in some institution you can bet he will be a d... and abuse power.

[buddhapunch09]

It's not a problem with the game. It's the mentality you seem to have.

Corpse camping is also NOTHING like playing an FPS. That would be more akin to joining a BG or arena. That's real PVP, where everyone knows what they're getting into and skill, team tactics, and luck are the determining factors.

"Where everyone knows what they're getting into"
That is exactly why I dont feel bad killing gnomes and pillaging human settlements.
They rolled on a PvP server.... Im going to assume they are going to gank and camp as well. I mean... they better be because im out there hunting for gnomes and getting my plump big booty dwarves. lol

Also I disagree with your real pvp. Its true in your opinion maybe others too but I value open world pvp a lot more. Its gots a lot more dynamics involved and stress ie pulling mobs or coming across other people. All those factors that dont bring in a "fair fight" make it enjoyable to me. Not because im bad but because its stuff you have to consider.
You can try to make me out to be a bad guy all you want but I dont really care. I value my friends that i make on WoW because I play a lot. I also value my enemies, I'd say more so. I share most of my stories about the contacts I have with them to my real life friends more than those who I play with on my faction/guild.

If i came across them in real life i would definitely call them an asshole but would for sure hangout with them and talk about that time i kicked their ass in Desolace or that time they ganked me in Ashenvale when I was trying to do an escort quest.
Its a GAME!

[Mauzi92]

I have a KoS list of people who killed me in stupid situations
Lowlife while fighting a mob, groupkills or highlvl vs me

I have a emote I use whenever I see, attack and hopefully kill them
In those cases I camp them as long as I can

[Adamas102]

They pictured ganking and griefing, they specifically made areas that would cause strife so people would fight the opposing faction. The game was meant to fit into the Warcraft genre, fighting other players is natural in that sense, even if they are not capable of fighting back.

The funny thing is that WoW was never particularly punishing when it came to the pvp aspect of the mmorpg experience. You lost no durability, you lost no gold, you lost no experience, the only thing that happens to you is that you have to run back to your body, yet somehow even this tiny hurdle is considered offensive in today's gaming standards. Games have become so sanitary, they control all interactions, they purposefully create only one experience and that experience is one where players face only the mildest adversity, almost strictly in the form of scripted events where you press a single button.

The whole thing makes me feel like I'm an old man yelling at others to get off my lawn.

That's a piss poor excuse if ever I saw one. There's nothing wrong with adversity, competition, or losing. BGs and arena are still a part of the game where players can pit themselves against other players, and one side wins while the other side loses. And yeah, sometimes one side is better equipped/coordinated to the point where it can barely be considered a fight. I've been on both ends of PVP like that. And yet, that's still veeeeery different than ganking someone that is not only outmatched but also doing something else entirely and then actively preventing them from playing the game.

I enjoy competition and being challenged, but ganking/griefing is the polar opposite of that. It might be "part of the game", but it's terrible game design when it seems to only cater to people like you and the OP who seem intent on punishing other players. There's a difference between wanting to beat someone who is playing against you and wanting to punish someone simply because they are there.

[Lochton]

Hey guys couple questions here I would like your opinions on.

1) Do you corpse camp after you kill someone?

RARELY, only if they've been really obnoxious - I have better things to use my time on.

If so how many times do you do it for? Do you have a record? Please share your story!

Max 5 minutes, max 3 times - I have better things to use my time on.

2) Knowing that your fellow faction member corpse camps people and griefs the other faction hard, do you blacklist them?

Naw, I ain't got time for them either. They will be remembered and ignored once they beg for help because others come for them (I don't put them on ignore, I find joy in the despair they get when a healer just waves at their killers and doesn't heal them.)

Do you frown upon corpse campers even if they are on your side?

Naw, I just don't care unless it is excessively. I tend to ignore them for they will get what they deserve and 3 out of 5 times, ask for help - and I ignore them (I don't put them on ignore, I find joy in the despair they get when a healer just waves at their killers and doesn't heal them.)

3) Can I get in trouble or get banned for griefing the enemy faction too hard and corpse camping them?

I don't know with retail/live/progression servers, or Classic but in Vanilla, you could get suspended/banned (even on PvP servers) if your corpse camping were to be considered excessive - to the point of game disrupting.

[Charge me Doctor]

Out of interest, what do you think differentiates a pvp realm from a pve one? Remember, if you want a gentleman's planned 1v1 against the other faction, you can flag for pvp and allow the other person to do the same, and if you want large scale balanced pvp, the BG's exist for that. Large scale Wpvp can still exist on a pve realm if everyone just flags, so what exactly do you think the point of a pvp realm is?

I always imagined pvp servers to be a place made for players that play halo and teabag.
"Haha, i killed you! you suck! Now i go hide bye"

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I spent over a decade on a PVP realm and true WPVP happened very rarely. I can't speak to what exactly the developers had in mind when they decided to have realms where PVP was turned on all the time. Maybe they pictured impromptu duels and large scale world PVP. The reality for the most part was just ganking and griefing.

They expected exactly that - people backstabbing each other, because they acknowledge that some players would like that.

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For example, let's say a rogue is attacking a mob and suddenly he gets hunter mark'd and concussive shot'd by a hunter at max range. How exactly is the "OP" rogue supposed to come out on top? A warlock and mage could respond to this situation far easier.

Vanish to drop aggro, sprint to run away, afk for 5 minutes, write hunters name into your "naughty" list, then proceed stalking him and killing his pet while hunter is sapped+blinded until it runs away.