Classic elitests have ruined it for me.

[MatadorMedia]

Bruh people were downing Onyxia on week two with 20 players. It's not that serious. Anyone that complains about min-maxxing or off specs is just a tryhard, not a successful player. Just avoid playing with them and enjoy yourself.

[Doffen]

I am just waiting for some ninja-videos coming from classic on youtube soon, those were the best. Especially with a lady that starts shouting WHAT THE FUCK DUDE!

True authentic vanilla experience.

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...as a Ret Paladin, I assume? With your monitor turned off, of course. And one arm tied behind your back while using twitch input from your eyelids to ensure your maximum gaming potential is achieved, right?

Lol'ed. Sounds like my GM that found love in classic now. He owns 4 people easily. Sure thing bro! :P

[analmoose]

Well it was a nice 1 month of playing before the inevitable "OmG WhY Do YoU pLaY X SpEc ThIs CoNtEnT iS So hard and needs to be no lifed in 2019 WiTh pERfect BiS cOMP!!"

Also the fact if you're not decked out in tier1 already you're a noob.

Guess what, some people prefer the journey not the destination and actually work now.

Enjoy loot dramas over MC for the next few months while blizz drag their feet to get those subs for quarterly reports and you cant even BG to at least do something outside of the gear grind.

Unfortunately, the fact that every pug every in retail since has wanted people to have all the achieves and bis gear from that raid before they will invite you, should have been an indicator. Its not vanilla, or vanilla elitists. Its the shitty wow community of laze, needing things to run quickly with no effort, deaths, learning, fun, otherwise the world ends that sucks the fun out of this game

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The skill cap in classic pve is so absurdly low that it doesn't matter how good you are, those specs should completely crush you pressing one button.

Can you post logs?

that's not even remotely true

[hnlntm]

If you let others affect how you play the game, you're doing it wrong. I'm about level 18 and taking my time, if that upsets anyone boo fcuking hoo cry me a river.

[asil]

Unfortunately, the fact that every pug every in retail since has wanted people to have all the achieves and bis gear from that raid before they will invite you, should have been an indicator. Its not vanilla, or vanilla elitists. Its the shitty wow community of laze, needing things to run quickly with no effort, deaths, learning, fun, otherwise the world ends that sucks the fun out of this game

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that's not even remotely true

It is true. The simple fact no real mechanics exist in the game alone make it so the skill cap is super low in classic PVE. The primary defining trait of a "good caster" in retail is the ability to maintain high output during mechanics and movement by using your globals correctly.

This isn't the case in vanilla due to their being no real mechanics in the game. It's made even worse by the fact the caster specs in the game are simply turret specs that press the correct bolt spell with little else to do.

Because the skill cap in classic pve is so low, it becomes more so about math than playing ability. High end mythic DPS is about playing the fight correctly AND your class correctly.

This isn't the case in vanilla, because the mechanics just do not exist. It doesn't matter how good of a ret paladin you are (which as far as I know, is a spec that primarily just auto attacks, but I've not played ret in years) you should never beat someone that is pressing their one button correctly.

[Not Againnn]

The skill cap in classic pve is so absurdly low that it doesn't matter how good you are, those specs should completely crush you pressing one button.

Can you post logs?

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/rep...a3Cy16KVk2mnW/

i am viqq

the skill come from knowing when to use trinkets, knowing when to life tap, knowing when to move or swap targets.
i am very behind in gear and manage to outdps them on most fights by a lot. its more about knowing ur class rather than knowing the "rotation"

[Specialka]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/rep...a3Cy16KVk2mnW/

i am viqq

the skill come from knowing when to use trinkets, knowing when to life tap, knowing when to move or swap targets.
i am very behind in gear and manage to outdps them on most fights by a lot. its more about knowing ur class rather than knowing the "rotation"

Link provided does not work

[Valkrysa]

Link provided does not work

Link is fine, it's just WC Logs is down atm.

[asil]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/rep...a3Cy16KVk2mnW/

i am viqq

the skill come from knowing when to use trinkets, knowing when to life tap, knowing when to move or swap targets.
i am very behind in gear and manage to outdps them on most fights by a lot. its more about knowing ur class rather than knowing the "rotation"

A) this link doesn't work. (warcraft logs is down.)

B) You use life tap during movement or when you are about to be unable to cast due to lack of mana. As someone that actually plays a warlock on retail and has since vanilla, it's weird you think using lifetap is skill based. Do you by chance have retail logs I can look at to compare them to your classic logs/percentiles? (lifetap was removed of course, but legion logs are still up and I could get a sense for your general competence in relation to lifetap from that.)

Like, you didn't actually say anything here other than "press your trinkets and use life tap."

[Celestraza]

I am going to agree partially with the OP.

The community really changed and many can't adjust to the classic mentality. Roughly 2 in 5 groups piss me off from the get go with things like reserving gear (was never a thing on our realm during classic/TBC/WotLK). People min/maxing for faceroll dungeons or tryharding with caster/meleecleave. It takes them ages to get the perfect group.

Let it go. Just play the game. I litterly ask for w/e. Take the first whispers without regard for class, gear or level. Haven't failed a single dungeon so far, at worst things are less smooth and it takes a little longer.

Regarding raids and ranks. To rank in Classic you need to cheese with world buffs and a ton of consumables. But generally MC and Ony are so easy you can compare it to LFR on retail where you can complete it with keyturners and headless chickens. It is a bit tryhard to rank but it is fun for some. But hence min/maxing comps in this stage is stupid as fuck.

But don't think retail is any better in regards of ranking or pushing keys. Ranking/pushing keys there is also all about cheesing or (ab)using comps. And many mythic raid encounters are overrated and quickly outgeared with ilvl. But ultimately they do demand more in terms of individual player skill to get the kill. I don't see a raid of uncoordinated keyturners even manage to get to the last phase of KJ or Jaina Mythic but they can clear MC in 90min or do entry mythic raid bosses in retail. There is a huge difference between mythic raid encounters.

[arkanon]

I am going to agree partially with the OP.

The community really changed and many can't adjust to the classic mentality. Roughly 2 in 5 groups piss me off from the get go with things like reserving gear (was never a thing on our realm during classic/TBC/WotLK). People min/maxing for faceroll dungeons or tryharding with caster/meleecleave. It takes them ages to get the perfect group.

Let it go. Just play the game. I litterly ask for w/e. Take the first whispers without regard for class, gear or level. Haven't failed a single dungeon so far, at worst things are less smooth and it takes a little longer.

Regarding raids and ranks. To rank in Classic you need to cheese with world buffs and a ton of consumables. But generally MC and Ony are so easy you can compare it to LFR on retail where you can complete it with keyturners and headless chickens. It is a bit tryhard to rank but it is fun for some. But hence min/maxing comps in this stage is stupid as fuck.

But don't think retail is any better in regards of ranking or pushing keys. Ranking/pushing keys there is also all about cheesing or (ab)using comps. And many mythic raid encounters are overrated and quickly outgeared with ilvl. But ultimately they do demand more in terms of individual player skill to get the kill. I don't see a raid of uncoordinated keyturners even manage to get to the last phase of KJ or Jaina Mythic but they can clear MC in 90min or do entry mythic raid bosses in retail. There is a huge difference between mythic raid encounters.

No one on your realm reserved any items in bc? Dst was never reserved? Mounts? I'm not saying you are bring dishonest, I just .......actually, yeah I am.

[Not Againnn]

A) this link doesn't work. (warcraft logs is down.)

B) You use life tap during movement or when you are about to be unable to cast due to lack of mana. As someone that actually plays a warlock on retail and has since vanilla, it's weird you think using lifetap is skill based. Do you by chance have retail logs I can look at to compare them to your classic logs/percentiles? (lifetap was removed of course, but legion logs are still up and I could get a sense for your general competence in relation to lifetap from that.)

Like, you didn't actually say anything here other than "press your trinkets and use life tap."

i dont play that dogshit casino sim.

[bearlolz]

All that matter in 2019 is warcraftlogs

[Celestraza]

No one on your realm reserved any items in bc? Dst was never reserved? Mounts? I'm not saying you are bring dishonest, I just .......actually, yeah I am.

Nope it did not happen on our realm. If you did that on our realm you'd be done. Perhaps it was because we were on an RPPVP realm. Small community that knew each other regardless of guild or faction.

If someone would ninja loot or cause a guild drama their only option would be solo play or roll on another realm.

PuG raids in that regard were also rare but never had reserved loot. My current GM and me tanked whole days long, never heard or saw this reserving loot thing until now on our current Classic realm.

[asil]

i dont play that dogshit casino sim.

I've got news for you, it requires about 25x the playing ability to raid mythic on retail and dps than it does vanilla.

You're purple parsing in vanilla, you'd be grey parsing retail.

Look at your purple parse mag kill:

> https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/rep...-done&source=8

You literally pressed 1 button.

[Tojara]

Love classic, love watching autists scream about purple/orange parses in classic too lol.

[bmjclark]

I've got news for you, it requires about 25x the playing ability to raid mythic on retail and dps than it does vanilla.

You're purple parsing in vanilla, you'd be grey parsing retail.

Look at your purple parse mag kill:

> https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/rep...-done&source=8

You literally pressed 1 button.

Woah woah woah. He pressed life tap 7 (!!!!!) times. Give him some credit. It's complicated stuff.

[Muajin76]

Well it was a nice 1 month of playing before the inevitable "OmG WhY Do YoU pLaY X SpEc ThIs CoNtEnT iS So hard and needs to be no lifed in 2019 WiTh pERfect BiS cOMP!!"

Also the fact if you're not decked out in tier1 already you're a noob.

Guess what, some people prefer the journey not the destination and actually work now.

Enjoy loot dramas over MC for the next few months while blizz drag their feet to get those subs for quarterly reports and you cant even BG to at least do something outside of the gear grind.

There are players that say *retail elitests have ruined the game for me*
Every game has elitests and asshats, whether they ruin the game and make it so it's not enjoyable is up to you. You don't have to interact with them.

You could make your own raiding groups.^^

[Tripax]

I don't think the people who go for top parses in Classic and the people who want to "smell the flowers" even end up playing together that much.

[dwightyo39]

I don't think the people who go for top parses in Classic and the people who want to "smell the flowers" even end up playing together that much.

That is probably true. While I would like to eventually clear Naxx, I do not constantly jerk off over wow logs. That has literally 0 appeal to me. As long as the raid groups I'm in do not continually wipe to silly mechanics, I'm not going to complain.