TBC would get boring quick

[Xemioza]

Fine, don't play it.

Go back to Retail to level up your new Fox Pokemon and play with your llama.

We have way too many tourists in our servers as it is, one tourist less will be great.

Oh, don't forget to take your friends with you too back to Retail.

Spamming 1 button as frost mage > any Mythic encounter in Retail.

[Worgenmaniac]

Denial is a real thing too you know.

Yes, I can take anything, focus solely on weaknesses and exaggerate them beyond recognition too. What you presented above is no different than the nostalgic have done...you simply have done it in reverse.

BC was a great game, warts and all. Most of what you stated is laughably wrong, and other statements (you can't realistically call them arguments as you are simply stating your opinion with nothing to back those statements up) don't actually match up with the game.

I suspect that you never actually did play BC, and, judging from your account creation date, are nothing more than a bitter person who thinks this kind of interaction (just being derogatory) is somehow positive. Be better.

I bet TBC was pretty fun 12-13 years ago. I just don't think it will be like how you remember. It is very watered down compared to Vanilla.

[Xalvia]

Seriously? Flying mounts killed off so much player interaction out in the world. You literally had players flying up in the sky.

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TBC piggybacked off of Vanilla. TBC population didn't grow because of TBC, but because WoW itself had millions of new players joining. Why do you think growth stopped in WOTLK.

wtf did i just read

do you even understand what you're typing dude?

[DotEleven]

Have you ever thought about bringing back some of the old expansions.

You think you do, but you don't.

TBC shares a lot in common with retail. You can still play through outland and do timewalking stuff. You can't replay Vanilla WoW on retail. Vanilla is very different from the expansions. I agree with J. Allen Brack. His reply was about the expansions, not Vanilla specifically. He literally said TBC and he is right.

You can't play TBC either. Yeah, there's "Timewalking stuff" but you don't have the same specs or gear available to you then as you do now.

Just like Vanilla, it's not just the content but the playstyle of back then.

[Worgenmaniac]

wtf did i just read

do you even understand what you're typing dude?

Flying mounts hurt World PvP, because it allowed players to avoid the enemy faction. You could literally fly over the zones. You could be up in the clouds away from danger.

The population grew in TBC, because WoW was growing as a whole. You had so many new players join due to the hype and popularity of Vanilla WoW, not just TBC.

[AeneasBK]

I have played on TBC and Vanilla pirate servers and I got bored quicker on the TBC one. That said I wasn't doing Arena on any toon there, and it seemed very popular so maybe that's what everyone was doing.

I also started playing during TBC and had done all the content before, except Sunwell Plateau and "actually killing Illidan at 70"

[Worgenmaniac]

I have played on TBC and Vanilla pirate servers and I got bored quicker on the TBC one. That said I wasn't doing Arena on any toon there, and it seemed very popular so maybe that's what everyone was doing.

I also started playing during TBC and had done all the content before, except Sunwell Plateau and "actually killing Illidan at 70"

This is exactly what I am saying. Much of the replayability in TBC is Arena, but I do not think it would be as popular as it was originally. Static meta being one of the reasons. Also, Arena is no longer new. It has been on retail for over 10 years. Just like how WSG, AV, and AB in classic won't hold the same charm as they did in Vanilla.

[EbonBehelit-]

Bland and boring Outland leveling that can be finished in a week.

What do you mean 10 levels are less than 60?! What a rort!
Vanilla 1-60 is also doable in under a week, by the way.

Faction imbalance issues that were prevalent when Blood Elves joined the Horde.

Granted, the Blood Elves have never made much sense in the Horde, but they were added specifically to fix faction balance issues. The Horde was apparently seriously undermanned by the end of Vanilla.

Horde racials even more op than Alliance. If you think population imbalance is bad on classic pvp servers, well imagine tbc.

Not by as much as you'd think. Believe it or not, aesthetics matter more than racials for the vast majority of players. Racials aren't going to decide games below gladiator-level play anyway.

TBC sort of ruined Warcraft lore. It was destroyed in The Burning Crusade.

Subjective. In what way was it destroyed?

Flying mounts killed off World PvP and shrunk the 7 zone continent to an even smaller size.

Instanced battlegrounds are what truly killed world pvp. Flying mounts merely picked off the stragglers.

Remember how grindy the attunements were just to do a raid.

The attunements weren't all that differrent to Vanilla's really. Onyxia's was/is 14 quests long!

Uncreative TBC dungeons. Wings and hallways full of copy paste.

And yet if you showed me a screenshot of a TBC dungeon room, I'd probably be able to guess where it came from.

Also, half the dungeons in Vanilla are totally linear.

Imbalanced Arena. Imagine nowadays with all the min maxing. Players will just play meta comps.

While I do agree that rated arena was a mistake, pvp has never been balanced in WoW. Ever.

Gear vendors. A RPG where you buy all your gear off of a merchant in town.

You mean like pvp gear in Vanilla?

You could never fill every single slot with badge gear in TBC anyways.

Daily quests inflating the economy. Repetitive and timegated.

The only purposes of dailies in TBC were gold and rep gain for the 3 (and later 4) neutral factions that doled them out. They also controlled inflation by putting a daily cap on them -- first 10, and later 25 when the Isle of Quel'Danas came out.

You're also forgetting that the Vanilla version of dailies was essentially grinding mobs/gathering nodes for hours.

Remember how everyone on both factions flew in circles around Shattrah all day.

Compared to what? Sitting around in Org/IF all day spamming LFG for groups? People have always idled around in Capital cities. It's literally the reason for their existence.

Remember what a chore raiding Black Temple for 1 year was or how mundane Hyjal was with the trash pulls.

Granted, Hyjal was pretty rubbish, but again, what are you comparing this to? At what point will Naxx in Classic be a chore? One year after it launches? How about ten?

I just don't see the appeal for TBC. Nostalgia is a real thing you know.

And people say the same thing about Classic. Denying that there are merits to TBC is the same thing as saying that only fools could still like Vanilla.

[jzhbee]

Uncreative TBC dungeons. Wings and hallways full of copy paste.

...Stockades. Razorfen Kraul/Downs reuses a lot of assets.

Some dungeons also have a lot more originality, such as the Cavern of Time dungeons.

Also, imagine 3 of your points surrounding World PvP, like there's no other important content.

"I don't see the appeal for TBC, therefore nobody does. Stop asking for this thing. Let me maintain my faction imbalance (that's already prevalent in Classic) and unbalanced classes."

Sorry, some people like being able to play most specs viably. I play a mage in Classic, and every time I cast 20 frost bolts in a row it takes a year off my life. I think I've been dead for 40 years at this point.

[j0hncramer]

if you dont like TBC then dont play it if a classic version comes out. I know I am only playing classic while i wait for TBC servers though, along with many of my friends. TBC to me has always been the best version of the game.

You sound like the same sort of asshole who shit on the idea of classic for years until it was finally released and we see what level of success it has had. Instead of trying to shit on what people like, why dont you just go play what YOU like?

[jzhbee]

Subjective. In what way was it destroyed?

I will say, as a man who enjoys Kael'thas' character, I was kind of upset about his treatment in TBC. They did kind of ruin his character arc.

But OP cannot say all WoW lore was objectively ruined (at that point).

[Droodid]

Account from barely a month ago? J. Allen Brack, is this you!?! Get out of here with your "you think you do, but you don't."

[Sithalos]

Fine, don't play it.

Go back to Retail to level up your new Fox Pokemon and play with your llama.

We have way too many tourists in our servers as it is, one tourist less will be great.

Oh, don't forget to take your friends with you too back to Retail.

I bet you're a real blast at parties.

Oh, and those servers don't belong to you, just sayin'. You're as much of a nuisance on them as anyone else is.

Private server players are insufferable human beings, I swear..

[jzhbee]

I can't believe the fox race. Doesn't seem like it belongs in WoW. Yet, is retail even wow anymore at this point.

Your name is literally Worgenmaniac, I don't think you get the right to be anti-furry at this point.

I think your exclusionist mindset needs to go back to MoP where you were complaining about Pandas.

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I bet you're a real blast at parties.

Oh, and those servers don't belong to you, just sayin'. You're as much of a nuisance on them as anyone else is.

At this rate he's probably MORE of a nuisance.

[Worgenmaniac]

There is way less leveling content in TBC.

Blood elves make PvP servers even more horde dominant.

WC3 lore was shredded. Illidan and Kaelthas and many other characters are killed off. Their motiviations and personalities are retconned to fit the Raid patches.

TBC dungeons are copy pasted. There is some good stuff in CoT, but Black morass sucks.

Splitting gear into pve and pvp ended up sundering the population. It split up the community.

Daily quests were lazy and caused inflation. Look at BFA it is all about dailies.

Shattrah sucks compared to IF, SW, ORG.

[crakerjack]

That's fine if you didn't like TBC, but I completely disagree with you on all fronts. TBC was the first expansion where it was actually viable to have alts. What made TBC great was that it still had the same pacing as classic, but more variety between 10 and 25 man raids. As fun as 40 man raids can be, they aren't as good as 10/25.

[jzhbee]

Well, given Timewalking Burning Crusade and Black Temple already in retail, and that BC leveling is only like 10 levels, I can see the point.

... I can play most Vanilla dungeons in retail in their original forms, and we had that Timewalking 40-man Molten Core for the 10th anniversary, so why even want classic WoW? /s

TBC was not and is not the same as retail. Neither is WotLK, or Cata, or MoP.
They all had different sets of class abilities, talents, and feels to the individual spec, that Blizzard keeps changing. So it's only natural for people to have an affinity to a specific time period of the game.

[McNeil]

TBC has some of the best gear progression systems. A variety of raids on the same tier to choose from, dungeons were a lot harder and loot from final bosses were worth it to progress to Kara/Gruul, professions were at a really good state, questing has much bettter pacing, classes are improved by a lot and made most specs viable. So yes its definately worth playing.

I do agree that TBC has its share of flaws. I'm not a huge fan of all the alien'ish stuff like the draenei space ships, flying, the story being so garbage, throwing WC3 characters we loved as raid bosses without any built up, winged dungeons hardly looking any different. Yet there is no perfect expansion, and TBC is still one of the best.

[Lochton]

TBC shares a lot in common with retail. You can still play through outland and do timewalking stuff. You can't replay Vanilla WoW on retail. Vanilla is very different from the expansions. Especially considering players would be transferring their max level characters. The design decisions that plague Battle for Azeroth were born in The Burning Crusade.

Bland and boring Outland leveling that can be finished in a week.

Faction imbalance issues that were prevalent when Blood Elves joined the Horde.

Horde racials even more op than Alliance. If you think population imbalance is bad on classic pvp servers, well imagine tbc.

TBC sort of ruined Warcraft lore. It was destroyed in The Burning Crusade.

Being stuck on a 7 zone continent, with zones that were often empty like Blade's Edge Mountains.

Flying mounts killed off World PvP and shrunk the 7 zone continent to an even smaller size.

Remeber how grindy the attunements were just to do a raid.

Uncreative TBC dungeons. Wings and hallways full of copy paste.

Imbalanced Arena. Imagine nowadays with all the min maxing. Players will just play meta comps.

Remember how disruptive Resilience was to World PvP. It rendered many dps specs unviable.

Gear vendors. A RPG where you buy all your gear off of a merchant in town.

Daily quests inflating the economy. Repetitive and timegated.

Remember how everyone on both factions flew in circles around Shattrah all day.

Remember how awful and boring Shattrah was as a capital city.

Remember what a chore raiding Black Temple for 1 year was or how mundane Hyjal was with the trash pulls.

I just don't see the appeal for TBC. Nostalgia is a real thing you know.

That is a lot of your own opinions, and you are permitted that. I don't see the need for TBC either, nor did I see the need for Classic.

[Worgenmaniac]

I will say, as a man who enjoys Kael'thas' character, I was kind of upset about his treatment in TBC. They did kind of ruin his character arc.

But OP cannot say all WoW lore was objectively ruined (at that point).

They did Kael so wrong. The coolest character in WoW was defaced.

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That's fine if you didn't like TBC, but I completely disagree with you on all fronts. TBC was the first expansion where it was actually viable to have alts. What made TBC great was that it still had the same pacing as classic, but more variety between 10 and 25 man raids. As fun as 40 man raids can be, they aren't as good as 10/25.

I agree 100% that 10/25 raid sizes are better than 40 man, but the rewards in Classic raiding are way more fulfilling. Isn't that the main reason players raid?