Poll: What grade would you give the overall healthcare system where you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    While Obamacare was a slightly less terrible version, it suffered from being a policy beloved and designed for and by wonks. That made the policy radically unpopular for the general public who both WILL NEVER and unless they are insane, CAN NEVER appreciate complex arcane bureaucracy nor does anyone have time or patience to read through and navigate the bizarre structures of the marketplace without help; and as my experience shows I can't even trust the bureaucrat to translate this bullshit for me and not fuck me over.

    And yeah, the fact that Obama caved to the insurance lobby without a fight, I'd argue with intent; he let Free Marketeers and Business goons write the bill. But I'm in Thomas Franks camp on Obama now, that Obama did that by design. He never intended nor wanted a national health service. The policy failed IMHO from a combined effort of Insurance industry lobbying; his own lack of will to do a National Health Service; and his cabinet being stuffed with Neo-Liberal econ flunkies who were still jacking off to the "Free Market" even after their ilk had caused 2008.

    The fact that the GOP was able to do anything despite having no power at the time is a testament to the utter spineless cowardice or duplicity of Obama.
    No the Affordable Healthcare Act was a compromise versus the public option which couldn't even get support from Conservative Democrats, the idea was in theory if there wasn't any push back to do exactly what was laid out when it was introduced.

    The problem was too many components relied on Republicans not doing what they did which was to push back against it. Getting health insurance company's on board was a way of getting the measure introduced and the bill passed, who's ultimate goal for many on the left Democratic side was the best chance to eventually down the road going for a public option.


    The idea now that somehow the Public Option such as Medicare for all has any chance is unrealistic and silly, no matter how much people including myself on the left want it. Thanks to nonsense like the garbage you just spewed, not only was the measure that Obamacare was meant to address which was a lack of coverage for millions and getting more people care, not only will we likely never see a public option or medicare for all, we are likely going to see even less support and more shilling off to the unscrupulous types of con artist now trying to flood the market with worthless medical insurance policy for a price for people who don't need it, think they are getting for a bargain only to find out when they are older and they do, what coverage they thought they had is worthless and that is if they can keep the coverage they already have without losing it due to some poorly disclosed underwriting.

    The best that can be hoped for now is for people to smarten up and realize Obamacare what the best option we had or have for now if it isn't already too late, and spend the time to fix it, rather than caving into stupid bullshit alt-right narratives, because lulz wouldn't it be funny if people who can't afford it lost health insurance or care.
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    B+.

    It's not perfect, but I've never had issues myself. I do know that they exist, which is why I gave only a B+.
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    A+ in Norway for obvious reasons.

    B+ in China, since they actually have a cheap, fast and reliable system from my experience

    C in US due to being expensive as hell, even with insurance

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    If you're visiting for reasons related to your reproductive organs, it's very shit. They ask questions they have no business knowing, then they act like you're the problem when it's not their business. Very judgmental.

    Anything else? It's great.

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    C- Norway.

    + Fairly low cost with the most common procedures subsidized +-~80%.
    - A few caviats; dental is not included after 18, uncommon procedures; new procedures/ highly expensive/ rare diseases/ illnesses/ treatments with low % of success are not covered atall. In those cases you have to apply; for special treatment. And you are very likely to get turned down; as with everything else in the system the money spent here is used with "the common good" in mind.
    Factors like your age/ how educated you are ; how good of an asset you are to socity come into play (and equally important; if its a procedure that has proven effective at treating your disease not simply prolonging your life/ easing your pain).

    - Often long waiting lists for operations, particularly difficult to get hold of specialists/ mri scans ect.

    - Private cliniques in nor are always, always better than the public system.
    Shorter/ no queues, with more experienced doctors.

    - Not a fan our doctor-patient system ("fastlege systemet", a GP-patient system).

    In essence you are assigned/ pick your ""regular doctor"" based on where you live.
    Acting as your normal/ first contact, subscriber of medical drugs and refering you to doctors who actually do shit.
    Switching this doctor can only be done twice per year (kind of an issue if you move araund alot).
    In my experience this system is only inneffective and unpractical.

    It also promotes the doctors taking on way more patients than they can effectivly keep taps on = worse service (they are paid partially based on how many patients they have on their roll).
    Shockingly we had to introduce caps to this system, upper limmit is now 2.5k patients per GP but its still shit.


    Just 30 but I have had a fair bit of experience with our healthcare system already
    (was so blessed that I got cancer araund age 24-25).

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    I'd give it an A-. Room for improvement, but solid. Canada, but I've had treatment in both Ontario and Nova Scotia, when I was of age enough to understand and recall things.

    Stuff I've had dealt with includes, but isn't limited to;

    Gastroenterlogist assessment of digestive issues. Took 6 months for my appointment, but it was to determine whether it was a simple intolerance or an auto-immune disease, and the dietary adjustment was the same regardless, and I was already on top of that, so I didn't need actual treatment, just assessment and final diagnosis of exactly what the issue is (since the auto-immune carries other considerations down the line).

    Atypical migraine diagnosis at emergency care, including an MRI, I was in and out in about 3 hours, and an hour of that was getting the MRI back up and running (this was at 11 at night).

    Re-attachment of partially amputated finger (held on by a strip of skin, basically) done by blunt force trauma (so not clean, at all). No nerve damage and 95% mobility; my top knuckle doesn't bend all the way, but it doesn't interfere with anything. Had to wait an hour because a multi-car pileup came in right behind me with several victims in critical condition and needing immediate treatment (sucking chest wound in one case, for instance).

    Diagnosis of ADHD as an adult. Took about 2 months to see a psychiatrist, but that was only because my GP sent me to a psychologist first for assessment (so I wasn't waiting, it was just a process).

    Several minor breaks, a broken toe here, a finger there. Sometimes had to wait a couple hours, no big deal; triage.


    The only delays I've had were reasonable. I've been jumping around a bit so I don't have a regular GP right now, but I can be seen by any doctor that'll take me, no restrictions by who's in some insurance network. There's free clinics, can usually see a doctor with an hour's wait outside of busy times like lunch hour. When I did have a regular GP, I'd never have to wait more than a week for an appointment unless they were closed for some reason, if the issue was time-sensitive rather than just a regularly scheduled checkup. Usually less than 48 hours.

    All told, I've paid basically $0 for anything, outside of prescription drugs like antibiotics, and those were cheap. Just flash my Health card, get treatment.


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