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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Your post is very rich...and i dont know which quote to grab (>_<)
    Culture is a good thing...but is also...THE thing preventing us from doing...some crazy stuff with humanity in general...dont you agree?
    Like what exactly is culture doing to prevent humanity from moving forward? As long as cultures aren't breaking any universal taboos then they should be fine. Things like no killing, no incest, no raping and etc. Things that can be abused by corporations and companies are a fault of capitalism not the culture. The culture is a victim, not the fault. A lot of religions are tied to cultures and when a religious matter is involved we should just blame the religion and no the culture. Like I said, the borders of a country is meant to keep the money in and the free loaders out. Just look at the Catalonia Spain crisis where Catalonians are wealthy and don't want to give money to the poorer parts of Spain. Again, they want to draw an imaginary border to keep their money in and leave the Spanish people to eat cake. I don't agree with this decision with the Catalonians but it certainly isn't a culture issue but a financial one. I guarantee you that if California were to pay taxes for majority of Americans you can bet they'll want to be independent as well.

    Now if the work was mostly automated and we all had a Universal Basic Income then nobody would give a crap about borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Like what exactly is culture doing to prevent humanity from moving forward? As long as cultures aren't breaking any universal taboos then they should be fine. Things like no killing, no incest, no raping and etc. Things that can be abused by corporations and companies are a fault of capitalism not the culture. The culture is a victim, not the fault. A lot of religions are tied to cultures and when a religious matter is involved we should just blame the religion and no the culture. Like I said, the borders of a country is meant to keep the money in and the free loaders out. Just look at the Catalonia Spain crisis where Catalonians are wealthy and don't want to give money to the poorer parts of Spain. Again, they want to draw an imaginary border to keep their money in and leave the Spanish people to eat cake. I don't agree with this decision with the Catalonians but it certainly isn't a culture issue but a financial one. I guarantee you that if California were to pay taxes for majority of Americans you can bet they'll want to be independent as well.

    Now if the work was mostly automated and we all had a Universal Basic Income then nobody would give a crap about borders.
    Excellent you bring up the Catalonians.

    Isnt it because of their history (aka culture) that they want to separate themselves from Spain?
    So in this case there is even "further separation" from a possible future of unified society,

    Again
    Im considering "the future" a unified society...which i could very well be wrong
    MAYBE @Teleros is right and what may happen is a more powerfull force take the entire world by force...or the most powerful absorb smaller cultures.

    I dodnt know what the future is. But for some reason, i thought the Unity of the world was the future of mankind :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    No, it would be a sign of devolution. It's a sign of losing any sense of self-preservation.
    What borders do you think are being erased? Borders with a tiger nation that farms humans for snacks? Self preservation, their post is about "humanity" humans are a singular race and species. All the other types died out so how would a united humanity with no borders be a step backwards? You're advocating for more tribal nature WHICH IS A STEP BACK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Excellent you bring up the Catalonians.

    Isnt it because of their history (aka culture) that they want to separate themselves from Spain?
    So in this case there is even "further separation" from a possible future of unified society,

    Again
    Im considering "the future" a unified society...which i could very well be wrong
    MAYBE @Teleros is right and what may happen is a more powerfull force take the entire world by force...or the most powerful absorb smaller cultures.

    I dodnt know what the future is. But for some reason, i thought the Unity of the world was the future of mankind :S
    The Catalan region was mostly separate to begin with, also very wealthy compared to the rest of Spain culture plays a part but there are other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    I dodnt know what the future is. But for some reason, i thought the Unity of the world was the future of mankind :S
    It's a common enough trope, particularly in science fiction*, but few people ever seem to examine it closely.

    * Star Trek is particularly bad in this regard, but Babylon 5 is good in that it just doesn't address it. "Oh yeah there's this Earth Alliance, but we won't discuss how it works etc etc etc, so we can dodge all the awkward questions."
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    I have yet to see anyone be tolerant of rival cultures.

    People on the left look at people on the right and call them racist, rednecks, authoritarian, inbred, stupid, crazy, insane, etc.

    People on the right look at people on the left and call them racist, SJWs, authoritarian, stupid, crazy, insane, etc.

    The only difference today is that we have nuclear weapons, so the next time this stuff boils over into war we are gonna really wreck the planet.
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    The problem I have with "culture" is that it's this ill-defined term that's slung around in attempt to legitimize or illegitimize groups for otherwise neutral inclinations.

    For example, immigrants are commonly seen as detrimental to a hosting nation's "culture", because they bring in a "different" culture that clashes with the original ones, all the while nothing really specific mentioned that stands out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    The problem I have with "culture" is that it's this ill-defined term that's slung around in attempt to legitimize or illegitimize groups for otherwise neutral inclinations.
    It's not Ill-defined. Culture is basically all the human behaviours, norms, ideas, and physical objects invented in the last 200k years. Anything that wasn't already encoded in genes. Culture is all the inputs and outputs you've experienced with the people and cities around you during your entire life.

    For example, immigrants are commonly seen as detrimental to a hosting nation's "culture", because they bring in a "different" culture that clashes with the original ones, all the while nothing really specific mentioned that stands out.
    Religious values are perhaps the worst thing immigrants bring in that clash with the host culture. But also a lot of them come from cultures that don't value free speech rights which is another assimilation challenge in the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleros View Post
    It's a common enough trope, particularly in science fiction*, but few people ever seem to examine it closely.

    * Star Trek is particularly bad in this regard, but Babylon 5 is good in that it just doesn't address it. "Oh yeah there's this Earth Alliance, but we won't discuss how it works etc etc etc, so we can dodge all the awkward questions."
    I blame old trekkies for the enduring belief that planetary unity is some important aspect of the future. In the end it is a bit like people believing in the Book of Revelations and its preconditions being necessary for some predicted future. We have no real COSMIC reason or objective reason to believe a unified planet earth (Whatever that means) is either possible or necessary as a precondition for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Religious values are perhaps the worst thing immigrants bring in that clash with the host culture.
    Most certainly not. A lot of the people coming from western countries here are Christian, we have plenty of Christians here. The problem is that they think according to their own culture, which in many cases is far more individualist, far less concerned about strangers than ours and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    But also a lot of them come from cultures that don't value free speech rights which is another assimilation challenge in the West.
    There's a lot of countries which doesn't apply as extreme idea of what is free speech as the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Excellent you bring up the Catalonians.

    Isnt it because of their history (aka culture) that they want to separate themselves from Spain?
    So in this case there is even "further separation" from a possible future of unified society,
    I just said it was a financial decision not a cultural one. They say it's also culture but that's bull. That's like saying we fought the Nazi's because they're bad, but in reality we fought them because it was in our best financial interests.
    Again
    Im considering "the future" a unified society...which i could very well be wrong
    MAYBE @Teleros is right and what may happen is a more powerfull force take the entire world by force...or the most powerful absorb smaller cultures.

    I dodnt know what the future is. But for some reason, i thought the Unity of the world was the future of mankind :S
    So you'll force the world to agree to an unwritten set of rules? Because that's what culture is, just an unwritten set of rules that we're suppose to agree to. The world is unifying but it'll never get to the point where we'll all agree that Sonic The Hedgehog 3 was the best Sonic, and that we all really like big titty anime. Can't even go to another town in Jersey without wearing a red shirt that has a different cultural meaning.

    You want a more unified world then promote Democracy, regulate capitalism, and promote love and peace. You'll be one step closer for cultures merging and becoming one massive culture. Like the internet but with less porn.

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