Opinion on Chronicle now that we see it in a different light

[Sneaksies]

Do you like that the Titans wrote chronicle? How does this change what you think about the book?

Im curious to see what you guys think. Im happy to know the titans wrote chronicle, it was always sketch to me


EDIT: I see alot of people adding no, and ill explain why I think yes

Alot of people dont like that it was sold as a book that knew everything, but I have some counter arguments - first off, why would blizzard sell a book that knew everything about the wc lore in the past. They want to keep some things surprising for us. Secondly, if you read closely you could always tell chronicle was not 100% true. There was always some bias and stuff the Titans left out. The fact that chronicle cant tell you where the shadowlands came from, and never mentions Argus is proof enough that chronicle was never omnipotent

[Arrashi]

A bullshit excuse for a bullshit move is what i see. Completely disrespectful for all people who actually bought it.

[MrSaggins]

It’s so much better. Consistency matters, sure, but objective knowledge ruins my immersion because I’m certainly not omniscient in real life.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I still see it as canon, whilst keeping an open mind to whatever they care to delve deeper into. The books will remain on display in my room same as before.

If I want things to remain constant and iron clad, I'll... actually, nothing in life adheres to such rules. Ho hum!

[Sneaksies]

A bullshit excuse for a bullshit move is what i see. Completely disrespectful for all people who actually bought it.

Why? You dont understand, alot of chronicle is still correct. Of course there are things the titans are going to leave out and theres gonna be bias, but its still cannon.

[arandomuser]

its obvious this is just a loophole because they dont want to be tied down to craft future lore to be 100% in line with chronicle

[Goldielocks]

Why? You dont understand, alot of chronicle is still correct. Of course there are things the titans are going to leave out and theres gonna be bias, but its still cannon.

Doesn't matter. It was sold on the premise that it was the word of god and not from any character within the universe. They used the word “definitive” as a selling point and everything.

The people who bought the book were scammed.

[Fallen of Lordaeron]

They streamlined all lore up until the current while leaving as much open to the future as possible. If anyone expected everything to be set in stone just because the Chronicles had been written, they likely hadn't paid attention to the way Blizzard always approached lore. Retcons are as much a part of Warcraft lore as Orcs and Humans are.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Nothing has changed for me as I still see it as canon. The Titan perspective is easily explained with Aman'Thul's mastery of space and time. He could had easily time travel through different timelines and witness many what if events. And also to the ancient past before even the Titan's existence and documented the events there. Since they didn't specifically mention Aman'Thul going alone then that could only mean Aman bought the other Pantheon Titans with him to all these events and timelines. I'm guessing he wasn't the only Titan that was curious about the universe.

[Fallen of Lordaeron]

Doesn't matter. It was sold on the premise that it was the word of god and not from any character within the universe. They used the word “definitive” as a selling point and everything.

The people who bought the book were scammed.

You make it sound as though they fell for a real-estate ponzi scheme and lost their life savings instead of having bought a book.

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Nothing has changed for me as I still see it as canon. The Titan perspective is easily explained with Aman'Thul's mastery of space and time. He could had easily time travel through different timelines and witness many what if events. And also to the ancient past before even the Titan's existence and documented the events there. Since they didn't specifically mention Aman'Thul going alone then that could only mean Aman bought the other Pantheon Titans with him to all these events and timelines. I'm guessing he wasn't the only Titan that was curious about the universe.

Or it could've been written by a Constellar observer, which explains how a record was kept after the death of the titans. Or any other number of handwave-alternatives that doesn't break lore.

[Goldielocks]

You make it sound as though they fell for a real-estate ponzi scheme and lost their life savings instead of having bought a book.

A scam is a scam, regardless of how large. Obviously this change is bad just on the premise that this was a product Blizzard sold to people.

[Adoxe]

Doesn't change anything for me, always assumed it was from the PoV of the Titans. Was surprised to find out most people didn't think it was.

[Fallen of Lordaeron]

A scam is a scam, regardless of how large. Obviously this change is bad just on the premise that this was a product Blizzard sold to people.

I guess I'm just not convinced it was a scam. "Definitive" could easily refer to the face that it streamlined all past lore up until the current state of the game in one easy reference.

Is it really a scam to sell a book that doesn't contain lore they hadn't written yet?

[Trumpcat]

First, people are hanging way too much onto the words "from titan's perspective".

Second, what exactly has been retconned that is causing this new hysteria?

A bullshit excuse for a bullshit move is what i see. Completely disrespectful for all people who actually bought it.

Can you please elaborate?

[Fallen of Lordaeron]

First, people are hanging way too much onto the words "from titan's perspective".

Second, what exactly has been retconned that is causing this new hysteria?

Shadowlands was retconned from being an Azeroth-limited, death-like alternative to the Emerald Dream to being an infinite afterlife spanning the universe. People are mad that new lore was written which required them to expand the concept of Shadowlands beyond the brief mention it had in the Chronicles.

When asked why the Chronicles didn't cover this new lore, they essentially said "Well, the Titans or a Titan-Servant wrote the Chronicles; they didn't know much about the Shadowlands." which lead to complaints on the grounds that the lore has been "ruined".

[Goldielocks]

I guess I'm just not convinced it was a scam. "Definitive" could easily refer to the face that it streamlined all past lore up until the current state of the game in one easy reference.

Is it really a scam to sell a book that doesn't contain lore they hadn't written yet?

You can’t use a biased source to streamline lore. That doesn’t make sense. You can’t reference something you know might be wrong.

People bought this so they knew the “truth” about the creation of the Great Dark Beyond and other parts of history. That truth was never real.

Would not be surprised if Chronicle V4 sales drop. Even less surprised if “definitive” is dropped from its marketing.

[Fallen of Lordaeron]

You can’t use a biased source to streamline lore. That doesn’t make sense. You can’t reference something you know might be wrong.

People bought this so they knew the “truth” about the creation of the Great Dark Beyond and other parts of history. That truth was never real.

Would not be surprised if Chronicle V4 sales drop. Even less surprised if “definitive” is dropped from its marketing.

You realize they write the lore as they go, right? Every bit of actual history in all of existence has been written by a biased source. Objective truth is an impossibility.

It's a video game; they changed their story over their 25+ year run. It happens.

[Goldielocks]

You realize they write the lore as they go, right? Every bit of actual history in all of existence has been written by a biased source. Objective truth is an impossibility.

It's a video game; they changed their story over their 25+ year run. It happens.

That’s not true. The word of god is a real thing in fiction. Statements from the author directly count as objective truth. They made the fictional universe. They can do that. Chronicle was sold based on this principle. You can’t use definitive and biased in the same sentence.

Your arguments don’t counter what I’m saying either. You’re just strengthening the fact that Chronicle should have never been made or at most, been marketed wildly differently to support the idea that objective truth is impossible. It should have had “from the titan’s perspective” as the subtitle since V1.

But we know why this didn’t happen. Wouldn’t have sold as much. Blizzard has no excuse here.

[Sneaksies]

Doesn't matter. It was sold on the premise that it was the word of god and not from any character within the universe. They used the word “definitive” as a selling point and everything.

The people who bought the book were scammed.

Alot of it is still correct, in fact, its more interesting know because you have to read between the lines and think critically now

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its obvious this is just a loophole because they dont want to be tied down to craft future lore to be 100% in line with chronicle

They wouldnt of told anyone about the pov if no one asked. You could see from the beginning that there were always things wrong or odd with chronicle.

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They streamlined all lore up until the current while leaving as much open to the future as possible. If anyone expected everything to be set in stone just because the Chronicles had been written, they likely hadn't paid attention to the way Blizzard always approached lore. Retcons are as much a part of Warcraft lore as Orcs and Humans are.

I agree, except its not a retcon imo

[Nathreim]

They were a money making scam. Blizz refuses to hold to any lore so when they said and I quote "Chronicles will be the end all for lore" I knew it was only a matter of time before they shat all over them cause they are too lazy to stay within the lore.