[UK] General Election 2019

[Monster Hunter]

He has massive support from the Labour membership who elected him. The real question is why the PLP members don't respect those members.

Because they don't think his policy's actualy work to make people's lives better.

Like how hard is it to understand that good intentions and good sounding things don't always work as intended. That's the argument against Nationalisation and against alot of corbyns policy's is that in practise they won't work as intended and cause more harm to people allready on the very edge.

And instead of spending this election talking in detail about how they will insure it works and convincing people there policy's are the answer and also gonna see returns within 4 years befor the next election they might lose and have the torys Reprivatise it all again.

Labour's campaign could be summed up with were the good guys and there the bad guys and if you don't vote with us your a meanie who likes watching puppies suffer. And that kind of rehotoric has never worked in the UK. We're not America, in the majority we don't belive in a sky man making the crops grow, that good people can only do good things and a smiling face isn't hiding alteria motives, we're a practical, pessimistic people who might find this modern American style campaigning funny but we don't find it swaying people's votes.

Hope dosnt win elections in the UK, practicality always comes out on top, we always vote for the least change from the status quo.

[thogkar]

Excuses are for looser who lack self reflection, the blame for failure lays always first with the self.

Who are you blaming for your primary school communication skills and your inability to google the facts behind your own assertions before you post them?

[Monster Hunter]

The election was on June 8, Glastonbury took place 13 days after.

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It is a simple reality. The Tories enjoy a massive free amount of publicity mainly from the newspapers who benefit from their generally low taxation policies, but they also enjoy biased coverage from the BBC, which they could cut funds to or shut down if they so chose.

There is a considerable amount of evidence supporting the notion that the media, and the BBC is biased against Corbyn:
thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

All I here is the same excuses as trumpsters in the US. And I take those excuses with the same laughable level of seriousness.

All I here is excuses from the supporters of a party that hasn't even lost yet on why they will lose, and that goes to show why no one take there manifesto of hope seriously when most of there party dosnt know what hope feels like, and it goes to show just how spent Labour is on ideas and as a force and why its time they step aside and let another party become the 2nd main party.

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Who are you blaming for your primary school communication skills and your inability to google the facts behind your own assertions before you post them?

If you have issue with my education then I suggest you add that to the list of problems with the labour party, It was under there system.

[thogkar]

Because they don't think his policy's actualy work to make people's lives better.

Like how hard is it to understand that good intentions and good sounding things don't always work as intended. That's the argument against Nationalisation

No that isn't the argument against nationalization. You are proving the point made by the London Economic, you are a docile, stupid person who accepts tabloid headlines at face value.

Privatizing the railways has cost the taxpayer 5 billion a year. It is fiscally prudent to nationalize it again as a sensible investment for the future-the cost of re-nationalization pays for itself. It would save the country money in 5-10 years depending on who you believe. It is an economic no-brainer.

That's not some crazy socialist measure-it is the type of sensible business decision every decent manager makes. You think it is some crazy socialist measure because you never actually did the math: you just looked at some pompous editorial.

This is why the Tories win repeatedly: they get the votes of literally everyone too lazy or too stupid to actually study anything. The truth is there kleptocratic neo-liberalism is far more extreme and dangerous than any one in Momentum or whatever.

[Monster Hunter]

No that isn't the argument against nationalization. You are proving the point made by the London Economic, you are a docile, stupid person who accepts tabloid headlines at face value.

Privatizing the railways has cost the taxpayer 5 billion a year. It is fiscally prudent to nationalize it again as a sensible investment for the future-the cost of re-nationalization pays for itself. It would save the country money in 5-10 years depending on who you believe. It is an economic no-brainer.

That's not some crazy socialist measure-it is the type of sensible business decision every decent manager makes. You think it is some crazy socialist measure because you never actually did the math: you just looked at some pompous editorial.

The rail way isn't private and hasn't been since 2002.

The train services are private. But the shitty lines, dead lines and failed to make new lines, everything bad about that is on the goverment. And yet you some how belive the gov can run the whole lot better? How? by magic?

Also what happens when the employees strike under a nationalised industry? Last time you fucks sent in the police as your heavys? Turns out workers of the world unite only counts of its against a right wing goverment. You guys really don't like it when it's against your selves.

And it will make us money in 5 to 10 years, great for them in the future, but you do realise we're leaving the eu right? Shit gonna be tight for those 5 to 10 years anyway without taking massive loans to buy back industry's that we hope the goverment can run better by some socialist voodoo magic I don't know about,may be the have socialist agile management or something.

Any one who buys into the notion the goverment can do it better with out asking how is a fucking nut.

[Kallisto]

Potential vote denial is happening.

[DarkAmbient]

He has massive support from the Labour membership who elected him. The real question is why the PLP members don't respect those members.

Probably because the members elected an obvious loser.*


*this comment might have aged badly by 10.00pm

[Kallisto]

Probably because the members elected an obvious loser.*


*this comment might have aged badly by 10.00pm

He lost in 2017

[DarkAmbient]

He lost in 2017

I know. But Corbyn has been an MP since 1983, and his colleagues were all well aware of his shortcomings, which is why they voted No Confidence in him. And, so far, their judgment has proven to be correct.

[Kallisto]

I know. But Corbyn has been an MP since 1983, and his colleagues were all well aware of his shortcomings, which is why they voted No Confidence in him. And, so far, their judgment has proven to be correct.

Who'd have thought people who have been in parliament know who was better at running the parliamentary part of the party more than people who likely never set foot in a political meeting.

[Jessicka]

Who'd have thought people who have been in parliament know who was better at running the parliamentary part of the party more than people who likely never set foot in a political meeting.

If they knew that much, they wouldn't have pissed away all their good will with the public and labour membership on infighting, and actually focused on opposing the government.

"I want to look good in The Sun" is not a policy.

[Monster Hunter]

Ooh, c'mon..


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50726500

Title: General election 2019: Ads are 'indecent, dishonest and untruthful'
Reality: "for Labour, it said that it could not find any misleading claims in ads run over the period"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...n-in-tv-debate

https://petapixel.com/2018/03/19/bbc...-more-russian/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9198521.html

https://www.businessinsider.nl/is-th...onal=true&r=US

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7163706.html

Ah yes, the eternal excuse of everyone that sabotages other people.

So you missed the HUGE graph that shows the culprits being the Conservatives and lib Dems?

Like did you read the article?

And yet in other news

THE BBC has come under fire for bias as viewers raged at the election debate audience who appeared to cheer for the Labour leader more than Boris Johnson, with one viewer claiming they "switched off"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.exp...-Corbyn-EU/amp

How is it every ones saying the BBC is biased against them?

Probly because there full of shit, looking for excuses for putting up terrible candidates and the BBC is just milking a divisive election between retard candidates for sensationalism.

You want candidates to be taken seriously give us serious candidates.

Don't have a fight between a clown, a puppet and a mime and the complain when this shit show is a circus.

[Jessicka]

What?


The audience clapping for Labour isn't a bias in the BBC.
But the BBC cutting out laughter at Boris IS showing their bias.

Every party other than the Conservatives HAVE provided a serious candidate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1576160197

According to Loughborough uni, everyone including the BBC is biased against Labour.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-commu...-jeremy-corbyn

LSE found 75% of all reporting on Corbyn was negative and misrepresentative.

[Jessicka]

I know.
But the bias isn't against Labour, it's mostly against Corbyn and the leftwing faction of Labour.
Every single one of those assholes is defending the interest of the rich, of the few.

It's basically the same as in the US, where GOP and DNC are united in their fight against Bernie Sanders.

It is against Labour. Even Tony Blair's courting of the press was largely only possible due to the unpopularity and stagnation in the Conservatives that had become indefensible.

[Pann]

Might I suggest that OFCOM would be a more appropriate place to voice your complaints than these forums for those who take issue with the supposed biased BBC's coverage.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-an...rt-a-complaint

[Jessicka]

Might I suggest that OFCOM would be a more appropriate place to voice your complaints than these forums for those who take issue with the supposed biased BBC's coverage.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-an...rt-a-complaint

I’m sure others have. Especially in relation to Kuenssberg’s potential breach of electoral law yesterday.

The problem is that it’s irrelevant. Any investigation will occur after the fact, it won’t change the result, and any punishment would be minor and ultimately the costs footed and paid for by the licence fee payer. I.e. those actually making the complaint.

[Monster Hunter]

What?


The audience clapping for Labour isn't a bias in the BBC.
But the BBC cutting out laughter at Boris IS showing their bias.

Every party other than the Conservatives HAVE provided a serious candidate.

Really.... Serious candidates?

Let's get a look at the menagerie shall we:

First we have bojo Jojo a man who has litteraly made his political career out of being an inside joke. Some who's list of gaffs is only eclipsed by Prince Philips only Boris has actual power.

Then there Mr on the fence corbyn A flat cap wearing corpse who forgot to renew his socialist weekly subscription so hasn't gotten an update since 1970, and for some reason seems to think most of us still work in Mills, mines and ship yards. But don't worry Mr mcdonell tells him he's gonna win no matter how unpopular he makes him self, usualy right befor tucking him back in box after the puppet show.

Then we have Mr Brexit the fucking Town drunk. What I have to say about this grinning fuck would likely see new hate crimes created.

Then there little miss pissy Swinson who decided to halve there potential vote by taking the revoke over referendum stance. Decided to play pretend priminister in an interview and then avoided the cameras like the plauge after.

Then we have tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in charge of the greens, or maybe not I've seen hide nor hair of the two green leaders for a while, I'm starting to think that Caroline Lucas consumed both of them In a dawinian display of nature. You would think that with our plant slowly becoming a boiling ball of piss like venus they could at least get Greta to give them a shout out, but I suppose only feliding half the candidates does mean only half the leaflets on the landfill.

Who did I forget..... Can't think oh yea change UK or tig or w/e there calling them selves now. The group that promised political revolution and yet only amounted to now then soubry Sound bites throwing shit at Teresa may, a group that litteraly copy pastes the Lib dem manifesto and then pretends there not lib Dems.

And you want to sit there and tell me that bojo is the only clown in that circus?

If you don't want the spotlight stop putting on so many sideshows!

[Monster Hunter]

So your entire issue with Corbyn is that he's a socialist? How about you fuck off?
Your time is up.

How about I don't. I don't have a problem with him being socialist. I have a problem with him being 1970s socialist ingrained in soviet propaganda and hiding anti-semetic views, he's what alot of socialist thinkers in the early years called "a fools socialist" . Belive it or not socialism has changed alot to keep up with changing industry's and globalisation, Corbyn needs to retire his brand of racist left wing that were anti immigration and anti Jews need to fuck off so untill they do I won't.

But then there's also stuff like this the fucking clowns unleashed with his history and rhetoric.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...21248807933259

Enjoy the little speech at 4:00 from the corbyn support about Hitler solving there Jewish problem.

Not the first time Nazis masqueraded as socialists to get power.

[Skroe]

I'm rooting for the SNP to gain seats in Scotland.

The only serious people in Westminster need their own independent state.

The United Kingdom is over.

[Monster Hunter]

No it is way more insane than that. He hates Labour for trying to stop the Tory party from destroying the North of England. Or something. It is a uniquely retarded and logically inconsistent belief system of interest only to behavioral psychologists.

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Oh yes industry regulators. Not like all of them used to work in the media, and/or want to, and they always find in their favour.

Google "regulatory capture".

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Corbyn won two leadership elections, raised party membership by 400% and increased the party vote share by the largest amount since the war.

He has yet to lose anything other than the support of media barons. He may lose today, but the election wouldn't even be happening but for him.

The only sore loser here, is you.

What do you smoke? Because its some wierd shit.

Corbyn caused the election? Last I checked it was because bojo kicked out tons of his MP's for supporting the Lib Dems, TIG and SNP at slowing down brexit. Corbyn him self has done diddly fucking squat as far as effective opposition since becoming leader.

Blackfoot is the real leader of the opposition in the house and every one knows that.

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Not the first time actual Nazi's made up shit about socialists to get power.

Nazis have only had power once and they did it on a socialist ticket so fuck knows what your on about, sounds like you ran out of arguments.

I mean the video of the corbyn supporter wishing Hitler had solved the Jewish problem is pritty damning so I can understand why your retreating.

Nothing like a jafa shackle dragger to make a fool of them selves.