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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    I think the boner "Vanilla Players" have bashing retail far exceeds your silly claim of those that hate Classic's "success"...
    This, there's no bigger hate community in WoW right now than the Classic players who think themselves above everything else.
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  2. #142
    Classic gives money money to blizzard for almost no work. Retail has not suffered at all from classic. Of course a few players left for classic, but most of them are back. And even more. You see tons of players again right now that still can't fly in BFA because they probably came back for Classic, played it for the short amount of time it makes fun if you are into real games and not heavy casual gameplay, and came back to BFA.
    And with the new content coming soon it's gonna be way more again anyway.

    Also, Classic needs to be succesful for the true great WoW times BC/WotlK
    But seeing the scan numbers that went from 8 million chars on release to now 500k on the whole world I don't think there will ever be something else but classic and i wouldn't say its a huge success anymore. If you think that most players at least play 2 chars once in three weeks at least and the few servers where numbers are missing (which are the truely dead servers of classic that don't have much players overall anyway) it's probably down to 200-300k different players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Moreover, that guy was referring to current activity, not launch numbers.
    So those guys numbers must be accurate because hes talking about current activity, not launch? We dont have launch numbers, how could his current calculations hold any water?

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    There is a lot of frustration from people that are playing retail who see their raids completely cancelled and all their friends or guildmates playing Classic, particularly those that were not interested in playing Classic from the start. And I guess they fear a lot of people will never come back, which will jeopardize retail to some degree, but most certainly their guild and progression.

    However, we really have to consider that BfA is near the end of the cycle content-wise. We will have a better appreciation when the expansion is released of what people do, but what everyone seems to forget here is that overall, the number of WoW subscriber has increased dramatically, which can only be good for everyone, both Classic and Retail.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Rioriel View Post
    Why are people genuinely convinced that everyone else is against them?
    Because they'll run across a member of that small group that actually doesn't like classic/retail and they'll think that's the majority.
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  6. #146
    Wow Classic is a dead end game as far development is concerned. And even if Blizzard decides to do something like a Classic+ or "something new" like BC servers, the Classic fans will be grossly divided. The more Blizzard bifurcates the fan base the worse it is for both Classic and BFA, Shadowlands or w/e trash follows. BFA is the worst xpac and Shadowlands is kind of "meh" so far. And Classic isn't without it's flaws and short comings. Blizzard should've learned more than they did with the Classic Xp and implemented more of what made Classic great into Shadowlands. Another great addition would've been Classic Tw dungeons with the upgraded graphics we see in BFA or Legion or even WOD. It's a win/ win for everyone: Blizzard, Classic and Retail. But no - that's a smart move can't do anything smart with WOW. Blizzard is just plain lost.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    tribalism.
    I hate tribalism so much v_v Reasoning not based on logic but based on being loyal to a side >_>

    It would be foolish to wish for Classic to fail though. The game is actively earning a huge amount of revenue
    Yep and since they don't have to make content for classic and it'll be the same game 400 years from now I would guess that money comes to the retail side lol

    At some point they should've tried something different like doing a WoW 2.
    I'll play wow 2 if all my stuff from wow 1 transfers over, otherwise #wow1forLife.
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  8. #148
    I've seen it all on these forums, first ppl were asking for classic for years so they didnt have to be relegated to pservers just to play the game they enjoyed and tons of folks around here came with the most absurd arguments and assured blizz would never go for it.

    Then blizz anounced them and the same folks said it would fail completely.

    Then it was finally released and increased the sub base by 230% and ppl keep claiming the most absurds things about it.

    Well, after many years watching and participating in this shit show i can only say, yes, ppl really wanted it, many who didnt even know wanted it, and the current version of the game is a mere shell of what the game was and could be, and classic is a living proof of it.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxeley View Post
    and implemented more of what made Classic great into Shadowlands.
    Only thing from classic that I would want in retail is no CRZ. I like both games but I want to keep their styles waaay the fuck away from each other lol.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Because a lot of Classic fanboy can't stand that ppl are actually enjoying modern Wow and even spill tons of BS and lies (like Classic is harder than Retail!) before it was release.

    There is hate on both sides.
    i mean that's not an excuse, like okay they hate your game, but why do you hate the fact that Classic is a success? you can hate Classic all you want..

    also just because someone else hates you or something that you happen to like doesn't mean you have to hate him/it back

  11. #151
    Because it's made retail redundant. They are even having to rush Classic so it's releases don't line up with Shadowlands because they know it would tank interest/sales in their newest expansion.

  12. #152
    Because tribalism.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by voidillusion View Post
    Then it was finally released and increased the sub base by 230%
    One day you guys are going to tell me where you get your numbers from lol Unless this was just exaggeration and I can ignore it altogether.

    Well, after many years watching and participating in this shit show i can only say, yes, ppl really wanted it, many who didnt even know wanted it, and the current version of the game is a mere shell of what the game was and could be, and classic is a living proof of it.
    Let's uh, keep classic idea's away from retail lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
    Because it's made retail redundant. They are even having to rush Classic so it's releases don't line up with Shadowlands because they know it would tank interest/sales in their newest expansion.
    lol You should probably make a new account and name yourself something that doesn't have blatant bias lol
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  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    One day you guys are going to tell me where you get your numbers from lol
    https://www.newsweek.com/world-warcr...elease-1461086

    Is this good enough?

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by voidillusion View Post
    Nope. They still playing? I so wish Blizz would release numbers but I know they won't. Maybe I can bribe an employee
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  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    One day you guys are going to tell me where you get your numbers from lol Unless this was just exaggeration and I can ignore it altogether.



    Let's uh, keep classic idea's away from retail lol

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    lol You should probably make a new account and name yourself something that doesn't have blatant bias lol
    The funny about WowClassic, the guy you quoted, is that he has been advocating for Classic for months. Then a few days after Classic release, he was like : Finally you were right, Classic is not for me etc...

    He is just a troll.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Nope. They still playing? I so wish Blizz would release numbers but I know they won't. Maybe I can bribe an employee
    I'm confused, was the problem what i said or that all of them might not be playing right now?

  18. #158
    People are miserable wannabe know-it-alls for the most part. Misery loves company.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    The funny about WowClassic, the guy you quoted, is that he has been advocating for Classic for months. Then a few days after Classic release, he was like : Finally you were right, Classic is not for me etc...

    He is just a troll.
    Ah yeah I remember this thread https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...nfession-time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidillusion View Post
    I'm confused, was the problem what i said or that all of them might not be playing right now?
    I feel like it's a tad dishonest. What if classic brought 1 billion new players to the game. If they aren't here now then it doesn't matter. It's just like retail xpac launches, the numbers are going to be super high then die down and the numbers when it's "died down" are what matter.
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  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    If you consider the slugfest that's happening on realms atm a success then go see a shrink.

    literally 90% of my friendlist don't log in anymore because of the honor system.

    being camped constantly and wasting 3-4 hours to reach a dungeon is not something I would call successful.
    Well why the hell would you think it would be anything else? It was obvious from the beginning that classic was going to be popular so to roll on a pvp realm then complain about being constantly RSVP'd is just idiotic.

    I rolled on a pve server and it's been going great. Can pve when I want and flag and do ssvtm pvp all I want.

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