BUT BUT YOU GUYS
Mannoroth got killed by Grom Hellscream SO GROM HELLSCREAM IS MORE POWERFUL
Wait but
GROM GOT CAPTURED BY FEL LORD ZAKUUN
So OBVIOUSLY Fel Lord Zakuun has the HIGHEST POWER LEVELLLL
These VS threads are silly.
Looking marvelous in velvet.
Well true overall and it means that aspects or wild gods could have easily taken care of both C'thun in vanilla and Yogg-saron in wotlk.
As N'zoth is weakest of the old gods and he was most likely more imprisoned than Yogg sas Yogg physical chains were broken in the room and at the end of azshara fight the chains broke and all others meaning at the moment he should have being weaker than Yogg was in wotlk so ofc avatar was stronger.
It never stated arthas became stronger than he was ever was just that LK infused some of his energies to arthas and if we take to account how arthas kept on growing weaker during whole TFT campaign. Given that a single strike from a pit lord threw illidan so much for no reason when he in his metamorphis state and how little damage his eye beams did to the pit lord and how long it took for illidan to recover from a single strike of annihilan who was weaker than mannoroth or the in the illidan book Illidan had load out a massive attack to fight against just an doomguard commander and not face him openly. Also later in WotA we have illidan became just toy when malfurions vines just imprisoned him after illidan made the second well and malf wasn't even an archdruid at that point showing just how inconsistent illidan has being in his writing.
Given how Azshara nearly succeded on her plans with the black blade of the empire and she would have if it wasn't for us so yeah with sealing n'zoth inside blade of the black empire was a threat to n'zoth. How its not canon? has blizz stated its not canon do we have thing which contradict it? Given how strong azshara was and that she bathed in the well and knew about it more than malf and that we have no knowledge of the duel more and there wasn't stated who won or lost it was mostly likely a draw meaning appretince druid held his own and closed the portal against azshara.
From that quote we still don't know if he meant sargeras medivh and the powers of sargeras or just the guardian powers and given how DW talks to creatures who should be far more powerful that they are "nothing" and how DW went to face Alex pretty willingly in cataclysm as 1v1(twilight highlands) calling medivhs power "unbeliaveble" and wouldn't face him willingly would place Medivh higher than anyone DW would face willingly.
On reflection, something I find funny. From a lore perspective, these threats we face each expansion should be a cake walk at this stage. As characters, we have faced off against the lich king, deathwing, demon lords of the legion, titans and old god's. Putting game mechanics aside, shouldn't we just be able to walk up to whatever we face and one punch man end these things without any bother?
From a lore perspective, that's not really how it works and we don't gain power in a linear and/or quadratic sense from engagement to engagement. When we take individuals like the Lich King or Deathwing or the Burning Legion, it's always with aid in some form and all of these powers are pretty much in a tier by themselves, far and away beyond the likes of us (the player characters). We defeated the Lich King only by direct intervention from the Light, and with the aid of the spirits released by Frostmourne (e.g. Terenas resurrecting us). We defeated Deathwing with the aid of the Aspects and Thrall, who were actually the ones to defeat him at the expense of their own essences. We killed Kil'jaeden and contended with Aggramar with the help of the Artifact weapons we found to aid us in that, and it took both the Artifacts as well as the direct aid of the Pantheon to contend with Argus (as Sargeras was simply beyond us in every way). Ditto for the Old Gods, where aside from C'Thun (himself not yet at full strength) we needed the help of the Keepers and now the help of the Speaker, the Keepers, and the Titan installations of Azeroth focused through the Chamber of Heart by MOTHER.
Even now, from a lore perspective, you couldn't stride up to Lich Arthas and swat him down like nothing - we don't have that kind of power. If a PC tried that the Lich King would pop them like a tick and then enslave their soul to the Scourge.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Considering Gorehowl was enough to bust Mannoroth both in the main universe and in alternate Draenor, i am pretty sure that Bolvar would only need to hit the pit lord once with sufficient strength and it would be over.
Not only that but Bolvar has flawless Telekinesis. He could just grab hald a hill and smash it into Mannoroth, completely obliterating him.
I would say that depends. For example Legion deathknighs should have been able to match arthas, since the artifact page clearly said ,that the new twin blades are stronger then frostmourne. Meaning in a direct battle, the PC could overpower arthas. Since we cant measure which can use stronger magic, since arthas doesnt really use much at atll, I would go with the PC because of stronger armor, weapon and more combat expirience
Mannoroth. After that cinematic, I can never take Bolvar serious again. She turned him into a chump.
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