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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm not defending terrorism. I'm trying to stop it from happening. We simply cannot continue on our current path without civil unrest breaking out. If anyone here is defending terrorism, its YOU because you are trying to shut down debate, discussion, and bridge building to help sane thoughts prevail.
    "Give us what we want or we will commit violence" is pretty much the definition of terrorism. You are saying to give them what they want, thereby feeding into that insanity leading them to demand more under threat of violence.

    You're the one supporting terrorism by saying to give in to the threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm not defending terrorism. I'm trying to stop it from happening. We simply cannot continue on our current path without civil unrest breaking out. If anyone here is defending terrorism, its YOU because you are trying to shut down debate, discussion, and bridge building to help sane thoughts prevail.
    Yeah, the Democrats are staying steady, have been for years, while the Trump cult are nosediving into fucking civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm not defending terrorism. I'm trying to stop it from happening. We simply cannot continue on our current path without civil unrest breaking out. If anyone here is defending terrorism, its YOU because you are trying to shut down debate, discussion, and bridge building to help sane thoughts prevail.
    Again, we’re not interested in debating, discussing, or bridge building with terrorists that support a man who thinks the military is full of losers and babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm not defending terrorism. I'm trying to stop it from happening.
    You're "Trying to stop it" by saying we should give in to the domestic terrorists demands so no more acts of violence happen.

    YOU'RE LITERALLY DEFENDING THE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!

    If Republicans (actual republicans) want to debate issues and laws, then do so lawfully as we have always done for decades. That's not who you're defending. You're defending the local Gun-Nutter militas who believe the bullshit that we're somehow decending into Leninistic Socialism, in Qanon conspiracy theories, that Jews/Blacks are replacing white people.

    Why are you defending those kind of people and NOT actual Conservatives/Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Again, we’re not interested in debating, discussing, or bridge building with terrorists that support a man who thinks the military is full of losers and babies.
    I'm beginning to suspect that's his goal is to get normal people (ie. non-Dump supporters) to associate "Republicans" with Terrorists, instead of us discussing the violent sect of Dump Supporters as being separate from just average Republicans wanting to vote for conservative ideals.

    I bet you a guinea to a goosebery he's taking snapshots of these chats and is posting them on his clan-milita boards and conservative friends as "Evidence" of our needing to be exterminated. >_<
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    I'm beginning to suspect that's his goal is to get people to associate "Republicans" with Terrorists, instead of us discussing the violent sect of Dump Supporters as being separate from just average Republicans wanting to vote for conservative ideals.

    I bet you a guinea to a goosebery he's taking snapshots of these chats and is posting them on his clan-milita boards as "Evidence" of our needing to be exterminated. >_<
    I mean if he's looking for hard evidence as to why we shouldn't tolerate intolerance we can just throw a copy of Karl Popper's book at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I'm not defending terrorism. I'm trying to stop it from happening. We simply cannot continue on our current path without civil unrest breaking out. If anyone here is defending terrorism, its YOU because you are trying to shut down debate, discussion, and bridge building to help sane thoughts prevail.
    Your entire argument boils down to "give the terrorists what they want and maybe they'll stop being terrorists". That's an implicit support of their tactics and message.

    It also does not work. If you bow down to extremists and give them what they demand, they make additional demands. They don't stop.

    If some shitbrains decide to make terrorist attacks, they'll get arrested and go to prison. That is how you address this problem. Not by giving the terrorists what they demand. That's fucking lunacy.

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    Should look at some of the political cartoons over a hundred years ago. Politics has always been a dirty game played by opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Your entire argument boils down to "give the terrorists what they want and maybe they'll stop being terrorists". That's an implicit support of their tactics and message.

    It also does not work. If you bow down to extremists and give them what they demand, they make additional demands. They don't stop.

    If some shitbrains decide to make terrorist attacks, they'll get arrested and go to prison. That is how you address this problem. Not by giving the terrorists what they demand. That's fucking lunacy.
    This. I don't care if we have to throw 50% of the population of Virginia in jail. You do not negotiate with terrorists. You throw them in jail or shoot them, depending on how the confrontation goes. If this mythical "republican uprising" happens, well we will have videos of Y'all-Qaeda convoys being taken out by A-10's, on Youtube.

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    Politics have become more extreme because there are facts and alternative facts. There is no point to arguing with a conservative who thinks that Bernie Sanders is a communist. After so many exonerations if Trump drops Clinton's name at a rally the "Lock Her Up" chant will start from the deplorables. A Fox News watcher believes that asylum seekers are coming here to decapitate and rape you and give you SuperAIDS after taking your job. There has been a conservative media propaganda machine that has been poisoning the minds of their followers for decades and now we have Reality and this Right Wing Alternate Reality.

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    because our politics are ran by low information voters
    CNN did an article and said the uniting factor between obama to trump voters
    was lack of information IE the voters who decide our leaders are stupid.

    We need a national voter ID with a civics test requirement to vote. if dems want to hope to stop nationalist socialism they should sign onto this policy that actually use to be a republican policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    What passes for "extreme right" is border control or deregulation that are only far right
    You would be right, if it weren't for the way it's executed. The process is just as important, if not moreso than the results.

    See, border control would be fine if refugees and asylum seekers are properly processed by the law and had access to healthcare and proper living quarters instead of languishing in squalor.

    National voting ID would be fine if it wasn't just a way for the extreme right to set an additional financial and administrative barrier the poor to jump over to vote; and there are countless other examples I won't bother to go into.

    Too bad, you seem all too willing to ignore the not-actually-fine fine print, if it means advancing the thinly-veiled "both sides" narrative here.
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    Because of the tolerant left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Because of the tolerant left.
    Except it isn't even remotely true. The left has basically stayed the same, wanting more freedoms for everyone, while when Obama was elected, Republicans have gotten more racist, and more radical about their terrorist attacks. Even claiming that Obama was Hitler or even socialist. Even though the ACA was closer to a Republican plan than anything out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    I don't think the political spectrum is as polarized as it was back in the 70s.

    It's the media that makes it seems to be while laughing making money off you.

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    Sure some voters are dumb. But I highly doubt that half the US is dumb. I spoke to many trump supporters & they all seem to have real issues. I can boil it down in couple of points:
    - Some of them got fed up with PC culture BS created by the radical left.
    - Some of them are hardcore bernie sanders supporters that got pissed off when they swept the rug from under Bernie and voted trump in out of spite.
    - Some of them care only about getting mining jobs and trump certainly promised that to them.
    - Some of them are concerned about the state of immigration in europe & don't want to see it happen in the US (a very valid concern despite how racist or biggot it might seem).
    -Some of them voted for trump because they thought he might be able to shake washington since he is an outsider.
    -Some of them are idiots. Or just voted for trump for the fun of it.

    People have different reasons for voting someone in, calling them uneducated & dumb shows how uneducated you are.
    im sure dropping the sanctions on russia and buildingtrump hotel istanbul and riyadh fixed all of their problems too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    This is not kids play. This is the real world. Countries compete for military superiority. Russia & US has been at odds with each other since WW1.

    The world is not a utopia of rainbows. If you don't do anything, people will fuck you up. You would be a fool to believe that Russia wants to be friends with the US. They constantly sabotaging the US at every corner, not to mention the 2016 election voting interference.

    No idea what riyadh & istanbul have anything to do with the topic at hand.
    you said people are justified in voting for trump because they want to hate "pc culture" and i am rude to call them stupid, yet my point rings true when you ask them a question such as "how does trumps russia policy help them in that regard" how does his fed policy, tax policy, environmental policy, IE they are uneducated and stupid if that is their core reasoning for supporting him, and why we need laws to restrict access to voting to higher information people. Thats like the germans who said " well atleast i had my job building the autobahn i dont care about any of that other stuff he did "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post

    "You're either with us, or an enemy"

    Then the choice is easy: I'll be an enemy.
    It's the only answer when crazy extremists like you put out these sorts of ultimatums.

    Anyone who believes in "no dialogue, no compromise" deserves to go under.
    I see what you're saying, but you're still wrong. There has to be a limit somewhere on tolerance, and I don't tolerate people actively working to destroy our government from the inside. I have every good reason not to. The worst excesses of our current government have flourished because we sit around and "tolerate" it instead of fixing things. Being tolerant of an opinion is also very distinct from being tolerant of actions, especially when those actions are illegal, unethical, and destructive.
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    I think it's primarily xenophobia and reactionary responses to mass movements of people through the world right now. The Arab Spring and resulting civil wars resulted in huge numbers of displaced peoples relocating to other parts of the world, and a lot of people get freaked out when the world changes quickly. This is especially true when they begin to see cultures other than the one they grew up with beginning to appear more commonly. There's fear and xenophobia, which drives right-wing thinking.

    Once right wing authoritarian thought begins to take hold in some places, it appears more acceptable to people in other places. This, along with the ease of creation of echo chambers on the internet, and the active intervention of foreign agents on social platforms intentionally trying to fray the social fabric of their geopolitical rivals all contributes to rising extremism. Also, social media/you tube rewards more extreme positions. People who say extreme things get more reactions, more page/video views. Hell, the YouTube algorithm intentionally feeds you increasingly more extreme videos if you just leave it on auto-play, because it knows you're less likely to turn it off if it keeps giving you increasingly crazy stuff to watch.

    On top of all of this, we currently live in a time of extreme wealth inequality which also drives a sense of resentment that many folks are being left behind. The fact that the wealth seems to be concentrating in cities while small towns and rural areas see job losses and increasing poverty also generates an us vs. them dynamic in a situation where urban areas tend to lean left, so it pushes people in rural areas farther to the right.

    So yeah, a lot of factors.
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    I think it is because of social media. In the past a lot of the nut jobs on both sides had their dark web conspiracies hang outs that not many people heard or cared about. Now these people can scream to the whole world and it only takes one credible source to quote it for them to suddenly get a flood of followers and thus a bigger soapbox to stand on and scream about nutty things which in turn increases the odds of of another credible source quoting them and so on and so on until to balloons into Obama being born in Africa and Trump kneeling before Putin. Suddenly normal people are hearing these things from sources they trust (even if later deleted or redacted). Because it gets traction people that never would have used it use it because they know enough people are loopy over it to make it helpful for them. So both sides pull harder and harder into the nutcases of their political sides while the moderate more silent majority that lean one direction in the other but aren't radicalized get looked over because they don't scream about things enough and thus don't get the headlines. 24 hour news networks don't help either since they are always looking for the next "Breaking News!" moment a lot of these things get wrongfully tossed up and discussed because its the hot take and then if discredited is simply not talked about and dismissed without much talk but to the people that tuned in for that 10 minute window probably walk away thinking it is real. Not to mention how the networks have also become political propaganda networks and not real news anymore. I do not trust a one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    I think it is because of social media. In the past a lot of the nut jobs on both sides had their dark web conspiracies hang outs that not many people heard or cared about. Now these people can scream to the whole world and it only takes one credible source to quote it for them to suddenly get a flood of followers and thus a bigger soapbox to stand on and scream about nutty things which in turn increases the odds of of another credible source quoting them and so on and so on until to balloons into Obama being born in Africa and Trump kneeling before Putin. Suddenly normal people are hearing these things from sources they trust (even if later deleted or redacted). Because it gets traction people that never would have used it use it because they know enough people are loopy over it to make it helpful for them. So both sides pull harder and harder into the nutcases of their political sides while the moderate more silent majority that lean one direction in the other but aren't radicalized get looked over because they don't scream about things enough and thus don't get the headlines. 24 hour news networks don't help either since they are always looking for the next "Breaking News!" moment a lot of these things get wrongfully tossed up and discussed because its the hot take and then if discredited is simply not talked about and dismissed without much talk but to the people that tuned in for that 10 minute window probably walk away thinking it is real. Not to mention how the networks have also become political propaganda networks and not real news anymore. I do not trust a one of them.
    LMAO it's not Both Sides. Republicans made nonsense Conspiracies Mainstream. Trump is constantly Radicalizing idiots and even supported Alex Jones and Qanon.
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    The current extremism is caused by the fact that society is rapidly correcting for the errors of the past. It's a good thing but probably necessary that rapid progress also goes hand-in-hand with reactionism. It will pass in time.
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