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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by lollerlaban View Post
    It's the versatility my man.
    The DH-hateclub isn't sending their best.

  2. #142
    Nothing wrong with brain dead specs. Its really nice if you aren’t interested in doing the higher levels of content anymore and just want to chill and do some questing/collecting.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Nothing wrong with brain dead specs. Its really nice if you aren’t interested in doing the higher levels of content anymore and just want to chill and do some questing/collecting.
    There is, however, something wrong when the easiest spec in the game (which is already easy in general) is also a top choice for all levels on end game content.

    Also, ezmode classes breed false heroes. People who spend time with an overtuned class think they are suddenly top performers. Reality slaps hard when the brain dead class gets nerfed into line.

    You only need to look at how bad of a player your average DH tends to be to see this in action. It happens, without fault, every time a class remains unbalanced to this degree. It attracts wannabes and try hards, while also creating a mentality among players that this is acceptable. Once nerfing/proper tuning does finally happen, the solution is to QQ about it because there’s no longer an overtuned brain dead class to prop up poor play.

    Anyone arguing that DH is fine and not imba at current is being intentionally obtuse. Or just willfully ignorant of facts. It’s not “feelycraft” even, as some have implied. DHs are objectively overtuned.

    I, for one, can’t wait. It’s going to be as glorious as watching all the bad DK players have to face reality. Won’t miss it at all.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Redlikemyrage View Post
    There is, however, something wrong when the easiest spec in the game (which is already easy in general) is also a top choice for all levels on end game content.
    There would be something wrong with that.

    If it was the case.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    There would be something wrong with that.

    If it was the case.
    Granted in this last patch, it’s not due to corruptions bloating a lot of other classes. Prior to that? Yes that was the case.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Redlikemyrage View Post
    I, for one, can’t wait. It’s going to be as glorious as watching all the bad DK players have to face reality. Won’t miss it at all.
    You do realize that this is a thread about Demon Hunters, yes?

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Redlikemyrage View Post
    Granted in this last patch, it’s not due to corruptions bloating a lot of other classes. Prior to that? Yes that was the case.
    It's a cute meme, I've got to admit.

  8. #148
    It makes sense. Demon Hunters have sacrificed everything for power. If Warriors or Rogues, for example, had the same strength, what would be the purpose of all that suffering? :P

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by ymirsson View Post
    You do realize that this is a thread about Demon Hunters, yes?
    Do... are you... serious? Talk about taking a post, trimming part of it, not at all comprehending what I said despite it being clear as day, and then replied with snark...

    Pretty sure you just lost internet points 5 times over lmao

    Just to help you out, I was comparing the hopeful tuning pass of DH that will bring them more in line and expose all the bad players currently carried by an overtuned class, to when the same thing happened to DKs. Sorry I didn’t make that Barney style enough for you.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    It's a cute meme, I've got to admit.
    I’m confused, are you suggesting they were well balanced prior to corruption shenanigans?
    Last edited by Redlikemyrage; 2020-07-04 at 03:34 AM.

  10. #150
    Demon hunter feels comfortable to play. That is 100 points for me.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Redlikemyrage View Post

    Just to help you out, I was comparing the hopeful tuning pass of DH that will bring them more in line and expose all the bad players currently carried by an overtuned class, to when the same thing happened to DKs.

    Playing actively 5 classes, 2 with ilvl478+ i wonder whats not in line with DH compared to other classes?

    If anything, corruption made most caster classes achieve godhood, hard to tell the difference anymore at this stage of the game.

    You can say not all specs are equally good everywhere, but class by class, the game was probably never more balanced due to corruption chaos(between, god tier aka wizards, you should educate yourself what insane amounts of haste can do for these).

    Because lets get real, we are talking about Havoc, and Havoc only, its 1 spec not a class.

    Other classes have even more powerful specs than that has more impact on the game, like a warrior tank in pve and a MW monk in arenas, and these are just the few melee and healer examples.


    for instance look at the fire mage, look where he stands in mythic nyalotha, mythic+ and pvp, random bgs and 3vs3, just take a hard, close look and try to answer me i am playing both classes in these activities, easy to handle does not equal power.

    Good does not equal best.

    I hope you understand the difference.
    Last edited by Tyrannica; 2020-07-04 at 04:10 AM.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    Snip

    Again... a reply out of context... I already discussed the corruptions causing this last patch to throw things wildly askew. Also, arguing semantics, really? Cool yeah, I meant spec not class, cause veng needs love honestly, feel better now?

    A useless point to even make considering the base topic is about havoc, so it’s a safe assumption that’s what the reply’s were about.


    Pre-corruption, Havoc DHs were most overtuned, in high end keys, raiding (do you not understand how imba their survivability is) pvp, solo content, group content, foot races... you name it.

    I’m really finding it funny how defensive DH players are for fear of the, much deserved, nerf bat.

    Just to stop you from replying out of context again, I’ll surmise. Havoc DH overtuned, corruptions have only propped up others in the very last patch. Havoc DH spent all of BfA being objectively better than every other spec, while having arguably the easiest rotation, mind numbing so.

    I’m not calling for plate spinning, but my goodness Havoc is so easy. Off topic, but Ret gives them a run for their money in ease, but we all know they didn’t spend BfA shining like Havoc.

  13. #153
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    The problem is you have a Action/fighter (Dante/Ryu) character in a Adventure/MMORPG (insert vanilla char). They don't mix well. ONe becomes OP af and all the others just fit the mode and are fairly balanced. You always have that one though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlikemyrage View Post
    There is, however, something wrong when the easiest spec in the game (which is already easy in general) is also a top choice for all levels on end game content.

    Also, ezmode classes breed false heroes. People who spend time with an overtuned class think they are suddenly top performers. Reality slaps hard when the brain dead class gets nerfed into line.

    You only need to look at how bad of a player your average DH tends to be to see this in action. It happens, without fault, every time a class remains unbalanced to this degree. It attracts wannabes and try hards, while also creating a mentality among players that this is acceptable. Once nerfing/proper tuning does finally happen, the solution is to QQ about it because there’s no longer an overtuned brain dead class to prop up poor play.

    Anyone arguing that DH is fine and not imba at current is being intentionally obtuse. Or just willfully ignorant of facts. It’s not “feelycraft” even, as some have implied. DHs are objectively overtuned.

    I, for one, can’t wait. It’s going to be as glorious as watching all the bad DK players have to face reality. Won’t miss it at all.
    Agree 1000%. I played a balance druid all the way from SSC in BC to Legion. I worked hard to tune and spec my gear and fought hard for my place on the dps charts. And then I just casually swapped to DH one day and oh my God. The biggest thing is not even the toolset. It is the EXTREMELY MASSIVE margin for error. Like I could mess up so many times and still do decently, and if I dont mess up (Which really isnt hard to do) I am up at the top.

    Honestly I have been expecting nerfed every tuesday since i hit max level back in legion or that I log in and find that DHs have been made NPCs due to the extreme im balance. I played DKs back in WotlK and they werent this crazy. They were good but this is a whole different level.
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  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by gd8 View Post
    it's brain dead even without it havoc has the least amount of spells/required keybinds in the game and no real rotation it literally feels like an incomplete spec
    Havoc is the least fun, most brain-dead spec in the entire game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    It is the EXTREMELY MASSIVE margin for error. Like I could mess up so many times and still do decently, and if I dont mess up (Which really isnt hard to do) I am up at the top.
    Against similarly not skilled players. This argument is false. I find almost every DH that says this I absolutely smash. Source: am a top parsing, 11/12 raider.

    Edit: (yes obv mythic)
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  17. #157
    Is this another "DH is broken in every sense" thread made by hardstuck hero raiders? or is there any actual human being with proper arguments here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Against similarly not skilled players. This argument is false. I find almost every DH that says this I absolutely smash. Source: am a top parsing, 11/12 raider.

    Edit: (yes obv mythic)
    i am not going to disagree with you on that. but my point is slightly different. iam comparing it to say a balance druid, or spriest etc etc that if they make a mistake they suffer a lot more. Obviously people who raid mythics arent prone to tunneling or mess ups. But im just saying compared to other specs its easier to win at DH.

    To me its not just the margin either, its the insane toolkit that I got as havoc.

    the person I responded to does have a point. in Wotlk when DKs first came out (back when either dk spec could be a dps or tank spec, since it was aura based) people flooded them because of how easy it was to do good dps compared to other specs for example, enh shaman. But eventually as pruning happened and the specs were tweaked you began to see the greater difference between really good dks and ones that were just in there to smash buttons and win.

    Or maybe after playing a balance druid for so long, playing a havoc dh literally feels like i upgraded from a 4 cylinder car to a v8 biturbo lol, so a case of rose tinted glasses?
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  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbro View Post
    Is this another "DH is broken in every sense" thread made by hardstuck hero raiders? or is there any actual human being with proper arguments here.
    it's just your usual memes about the newest class being literally the most broken thing ever

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    it's just your usual memes about the newest class being literally the most broken thing ever
    No, this is why people call DH brain dead, these are the PvE rotations using optimal talents.

    ST
    *Meta*
    Immo
    Blade dance
    Eyebeam
    Chaos strike
    Demon Bite

    AoE
    *Meta*
    Eyebeam
    Blade dance
    Immo
    Chaos strike
    Demons bite

    No other class' entire PvE kit consists of changing the priority of one button

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