I listen just fine. Estimates are just that, estimates. Those are trumped by the data. The only speculative part right now is by how much is things being under reported. That is what we can Estimate. Using actual data, we can see what the mortality rate is near, that we know of. The only argument that is being said here is that "well, we Think that things are being under reported due to these reasons".
At that point, all you have to go by is the data that is gathered. Anyone can argue for or against the under reporting. They can explain its wrong however long that they would like, and they can have pretty solid evidence to support that claim. However, that is still their guess until confirmed or proven somehow. You go by what is confirmed to set the base and then work from there to try to fill in the gaps in the numbers while noting that any information outside of what can be 100% confirmed is speculation and theory, no matter how sound it is. Its the basic premise of how science works.
The only question then is: how many of the cases just aren't reported and how many of the excessive deaths are actually covid 19 that wasn't reported. For example, on October 15th, we had a total excessive death of 299,028 for the year. Of those, only 198,081 were contributed outright to covid 19. That leaves us to speculate, at best, what the other 100,947 deaths where. Depending on what we find out, that could skew the mortality rate higher. Same thing about how many cases just aren't reported.
In short: not faulty logic. You fight with known numbers when trying to convince people this isn't a hoax. You start bringing in speculation and educated guesses, they start ignoring you. Work with the known. Especially when the unknown (under reported cases) is completely unknown and up for guess.
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That is all we can go by. What we have 100% documentation for when telling people the numbers. Does that mean things aren't under reported? Absolutely not. They are for sure not fully reported due to a slew of reasons. Same thing for the deaths. But that is speculation, at best, as to by just how much things are under reported and why they are under reported.
As far as things go, those are the real numbers since anything beyond that will currently take a Lot of investigation and work to discover and Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Theres 6 in the US and 2 in the UK that had a bad reaction and they think they already know what chemical caused it. Still, pretty small amount. Not even 1%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/scienti...ns-11608901200