If Tyrande indeed breaks out from the Alliance

[Ardenaso]

How many others will join the Army of the Black Moon?

Here's what I think:

• Genn Greymane - his people was attempted genocide twice and it's most likely at least 80% of his people will want to see the [just-following-orders] brought to justice. But I think he will at least try to keep in check with Anduin (or secretly). There's Mia, Lorna, Ivar, Darius, and Celeste on his side
• Turalyon - he loathes at the idea of Horde Paladins and he may side with Tyrande to sate the fanaticism and the "Horde bad" narrative of some Lightforged Draenei. Even better, the time will come where Yrel and AU X'era will join forces with him and reignite the flames with Gey'arah. He may also come to partner with Raleigh and Thassarian lead the last remaining Lordaeronian humans who still bear a grudge for Hillsbrad and Southshore
• Danath Trollbane - he still can't let go of his Second War Boomer syndrome and he still goes around using slurs against the Horde and his intent to kill orcs. He may also lead his other Daelin+Garithos boomers to join Tyrande as he sees fit.
• Brother Pike - he just witnessed his people (mostly unarmed civilians) in Brennadam getting firebombed and impaled by the [just-following-orders] in front of their children. He will most likely pledge his uncorrupted Tidesages and Hydromancers for Tyrande
• Some more Kul Tirans who overheard Anduin comparing and/or likening Arthas to Daelin and of course they wouldn't like it. Even worse when he seems to refuse to hold the immediate aggressors of the [just-following-orders] accountable. I think Jaina may come to aid them this time to avoid her same mistake before.
• Some Stormwindian radicals who were upset that Anduin just yes on peace and didn't go hold the [just-following-orders] accountable.
• Some Highborne who wants to take revenge on the aggression on Eldre'thalas
• Some High Elves who wants to take revenge for the assault on Quel'danil and the massacre of Quel'lithien
• Some Silver Covenant/Kirin Tor who wants to take revenge for the massacre of Ambermill
• _{Some Void Elves and Dark Irons who thought that their own war crimes have put them to a path of no return and that there's no stopping to the war.}

What about yours? Who do you think will join Tyrande if she seeks justice and revenge?

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Bonus: as for the Horde, Talanji is an obvious one (she didn't attend the armistice meeting and it's highly likely that she refused to sign on the Horde side); and then there's the Vulpera who wants the Alliance aggressors to be brought to justice; and then there's the Tauren in Stonespire who also wants revenge.

Talanji will be Tyrande of the Horde

[Varodoc]

I think she won't break out from the Alliance in the first place because Anduin can just tell her "If you leave the Alliance, all the Kaldorei civilians in my city go bye bye in the Great Sea".

[Derpleton]

I think she won't break out from the Alliance in the first place because Anduin can just tell her "If you leave the Alliance, all the Kaldorei civilians in my city go bye bye in the Great Sea".

Like he did to Genn when he stirred up shit in Stormheim? Tyrande doesn't need to leave the Alliance she just needs to, on her own authority, start burning down some Horde villages and it will be enough for another faction war.

[Varodoc]

Like he did to Genn when he stirred up shit in Stormheim? Tyrande doesn't need to leave the Alliance she just needs to, on her own authority, start burning down some Horde villages and it will be enough for another faction war.

Not really.... the rest of the Alliance has no obligation to follow Tyrande into open war unless that decision is approved by the High King and the Alliance High Command. Just like nobody answered Daelin's call to war in WC3.

And something tells me that Tyrande alone wouldn't last for long against the entire Horde, as weakened as it might be after BfA.

[Caradras]

"If you leave the Alliance, all the Kaldorei civilians in my city go bye bye in the Great Sea".

That sounds very unlike Anduin. It is more like something the horde would do.

[Varodoc]

That sounds very unlike Anduin. It is more like something the horde would do.

He doesn't have to do it, that's the point of a blackmail. Tyrande is vicious but she's not villain material yet, she's probably not willing to gamble with her people after all she's lost. Stormwind now holds the majority of Kaldorei refugees, Anduin would be smart to use that to his advantage, and he was described as wise beyond his years.

This is actual an important detail, Anduin is basically in the position Sylvanas wanted to be at the beginning, when she wanted to hold the people of Teldrassil hostage and use them to blackmail the Alliance.

It's not really such a dickish move to be honest.... I mean, it's to avoid another war.

Tyrande alone wouldn't even be able to beat Talanji and First Arcanist Thalyssra. She might beat the scrubs like low testosterone Thrall, Baine, and Rokhan but Talanji alone would give her a run for her money.

And the Kaldorei who would follow her definitely wouldn't be able to wage war against the Horde. Plus Anduin would probably side with the Horde and cause even more problems for Tyrande.

[Kyphael]

Not really.... the rest of the Alliance has no obligation to follow Tyrande into open war unless that decision is approved by the High King and the Alliance High Command. Just like nobody answered Daelin's call to war in WC3.

And something tells me that Tyrande alone wouldn't last for long against the entire Horde, as weakened as it might be after BfA.

Tyrande alone wouldn't even be able to beat Talanji and First Arcanist Thalyssra. She might beat the scrubs like low testosterone Thrall, Baine, and Rokhan but Talanji alone would give her a run for her money.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not really.... the rest of the Alliance has no obligation to follow Tyrande into open war unless that decision is approved by the High King and the Alliance High Command. Just like nobody answered Daelin's call to war in WC3.

And something tells me that Tyrande alone wouldn't last for long against the entire Horde, as weakened as it might be after BfA.

guerrilla warfare Is a thing and the night elfs would likely be the best at it of any of the factions in the horde or alliance. They could easily have a Vietnam Esc way where even with the horde being stronger hey couldn’t capitalize on that strength.

[ravenmoon]

No point, because teh alliance and horde are going to remain the two factions, and blizzard done'st seem to be interested in re-organising them or at least doing something interesting.

example: Tyrande and most of the Kaldorei could leave the faction, but what you have is Kaldorei who don't, like the Highborne group deciding not to and some druids, some priests talking to Tyrande and staying with the alliance in case the night elves should ever need tehir help.

I have often suggested that in lore several races can leave their factions. We don't have to have teh whole blood elf natuion in the horde, or all the nightborne, it's not necessary. For some races, it makes sense that they are actually neutral and a group of their kind are active in the faction. They could have re-united Quel'ttthalas ages ago if the blood elves went back neutral with a faction of them staying on the hrode.

To be honest:
Nightborne, Blood elves, Goblin, Highmountain should be neutral races - with a faction of them only playable on the horde
Night elves, Lightforged Draenei, Mechagnomes - can be neutral also with only a faction working on the alliance


They had no problems with the trolls being a hostile race with only a small tribe loyal to the horde, so I don't see what the problem was with making better more fitting lore by having some of these races neutral.

[Specialka]

He doesn't have to do it, that's the point of a blackmail. Tyrande is vicious but she's not villain material yet, she's probably not willing to gamble with her people after all she's lost. Stormwind now holds the majority of Kaldorei refugees, Anduin would be smart to use that to his advantage, and he was described as wise beyond his years.

This is actual an important detail, Anduin is basically in the position Sylvanas wanted to be at the beginning, when she wanted to hold the people of Teldrassil hostage and use them to blackmail the Alliance.

It's not really such a dickish move to be honest.... I mean, it's to avoid another war.



And the Kaldorei who would follow her definitely wouldn't be able to wage war against the Horde. Plus Anduin would probably side with the Horde and cause even more problems for Tyrande.

Smart =/= wise.

[Varodoc]

guerrilla warfare Is a thing and the night elfs would likely be the best at it of any of the factions in the horde or alliance. They could easily have a Vietnam Esc way where even with the horde being stronger hey couldn’t capitalize on that strength.

Which is what they tried to do in the War of Thorns... and failed because they didn't have any backup from the rest of the Alliance and were alone against the Horde.

[matrix123mko]

It would be unfair if there is no option to follow the Banshee Queen.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which is what they tried to do in the War of Thorns... and failed because they didn't have any backup from the rest of the Alliance and were alone against the Horde.

That’s not at all what they tried in the war of thorns they were trying to hold a defense and when they defense broke they gave up thinking the horde would just capture them.

[eurojust]

Why do people think that she will break out?
The devs said that faction war was over and we already know that Tyrande will do her own thing in SL, ie she moved on. She even says that she will sign the treaty once Sylvanas will be dead.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Bonus: as for the Horde, Talanji is an obvious one (she didn't attend the armistice meeting and it's highly likely that she refused to sign on the Horde side); and then there's the Vulpera who wants the Alliance aggressors to be brought to justice; and then there's the Tauren in Stonespire who also wants revenge.

Talanji will be Tyrande of the Horde

Please no. I think we've had too many leaders of the Horde go crazy like Sylvanas. Talanji going mad and ending up dying wouldn't fare well for the Zandalari either.
(Though I guess the new Zanchuli Council would lead them then)

[Varodoc]

That’s not at all what they tried in the war of thorns they were trying to hold a defense and when they defense broke they gave up thinking the horde would just capture them.

So they weren't doing what they're best at because...?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So they weren't doing what they're best at because...?

Trying to defend a massive swath of land and then thinking that it will just be held hostage isn’t possible with hit and run tactics based on getting revenge?

[Specialka]

So they weren't doing what they're best at because...?

Guerilla can't win against an onslaught. It can win or stall once most of the ennemy army is gone and you just face the occupation force.

[Varodoc]

Trying to defend a massive swath of land and then thinking that it will just be held hostage isn’t possible with hit and run tactics based on getting revenge?

On the contrary guerrilla warfare is one of the best ways of defending a huge and savage swath of land.

[Dellis0991]

I don't think Tyrande will break away from the Alliance, the other leaders don't answer to Anduin unless it threatens the alliance as a whole. Anduin wouldn't cast away the night elves who decide to follow Tyrande. Anduin doesn't want Tyrande to go off seeking revenge but he won't stop her from doing it because he isn't her boss and she can do whatever as long as it doesn't come back to bite the rest of the Alliance in the ass. I could see Genn and some worgen helping Tyrande seek her revenge but that list is bullshit. Trollbane is probably happy that he got a chance put his foot in the horde's ass back at the Arathi Highlands and and he probably don't really care about the night elves plight. Brother Pike isn't a vengeful man and he probably got bigger shit to worry about like safeguarding the tidesages and Kul' Tirans from old god influences. Turalyon is useless. Void elves are busy drilling holes in their heads and dark iron dwarves haven't been allied long enough to give fuck about the elves and are probably still making sure that the rest of the dwarves understand that they won't stab them in the back. Sylvans has a big ass target on her back, if Tyrande don't get a chance to put that bitch down Talanji might do it.

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Why do people think that she will break out?
The devs said that faction war was over and we already know that Tyrande will do her own thing in SL, ie she moved on. She even says that she will sign the treaty once Sylvanas will be dead.

They know she ain't leaving the Alliance, people just want to see some Alliance infighting to justify the Horde shitshow.