Did the Trolls build Dazar'alor or did they meet it there?

[ravenmoon]

They seem to be titan structures. As the 3 great pyramids hold seals on them. So I'm not sure they actually built it.. is there an official record stating so?

It would seem Atal'dazar they built, but are you sure of the others?

[Snowfunk]

Just like you already suspect, the Trolls & Atal'dazar both swiped right. And then met up.

[Raetary]

They settled around the seals and build their cities there.

[Aucald]

Dazar'alor is originally a Titanic structure, presumably created by MOTHER and her retinue operating out of Uldir. The three complexes in Zuldazar, Nazmir, and Vol'dun formed a matrix of seals keeping Mythrax the Unraveler sealed in Vol'dun (beneath the Atul'Aman complex). The Trolls found Dazar'alor and founded Zuldazar on top of it, using the Titan structure as the basis of their empire.

Atal'Dazar is the funerary temple for King Dazar and the other kings and queens of Zandalar - it's not a Titanic structure insofar as we know but entirely of Zandalari construction.

[Izalla]

Dazar'alor is originally a Titanic structure, presumably created by MOTHER and her retinue operating out of Uldir. The three complexes in Zuldazar, Nazmir, and Vol'dun formed a matrix of seals keeping Mythrax the Unraveler sealed in Vol'dun (beneath the Atul'Aman complex). The Trolls found Dazar'alor and founded Zuldazar on top of it, using the Titan structure as the basis of their empire.

Atal'Dazar is the funerary temple for King Dazar and the other kings and queens of Zandalar - it's not a Titanic structure insofar as we know but entirely of Zandalari construction.

Don't you mean they were made to seal G'huun in Nazmir?

[Aucald]

Don't you mean they were made to seal G'huun in Nazmir?

That's true. as Mythrax once unleashed broke the final seal at Dazar'alor, yes. I forgot the order of events there.

[Izalla]

That's true. as Mythrax once unleashed broke the final seal at Dazar'alor, yes. I forgot the order of events there.

Yeah he was only sealed in Vol'dun because Sethraliss (sp?) died to stop him there and then her followers locked it up so no one could release him again

[ravenmoon]

Just like you already suspect, the Trolls & Atal'dazar both swiped right. And then met up.

OOps I meant to say Dazar'alor.. in the title..grrr

[Aeula]

Trolls stole titan land.

[Aucald]

Trolls stole titan land.

The Titans are probably okay with that - they wanted sentient life to settle the world they ordered, and didn't really have any intent on keeping the land to themselves or anything. That being said it doesn't seem like Titan installations are very welcoming locales, all told; what with the experimentation on Old God essences and serving as the prisons of implacable planet-eaters.

[Eucep]

It is entirely possible that the titan keepers brought the trolls there to settle as caretakers of the 'less important' fascility.

[ravenmoon]

The Titans are probably okay with that - they wanted sentient life to settle the world they ordered, and didn't really have any intent on keeping the land to themselves or anything. That being said it doesn't seem like Titan installations are very welcoming locales, all told; what with the experimentation on Old God essences and serving as the prisons of implacable planet-eaters.

So essentially, the only thing the Zandalari built was Atal'dazar? Or can we attribute the stonework around the seals to be troll

[Aucald]

So essentially, the only thing the Zandalari built was Atal'dazar? Or can we attribute the stonework around the seals to be troll

The Trolls basically built their capitol around the Seal complex of Dazar'alor - adding ornamentation, extending walkways and the general urban center outwards, and so forth. Atal'dazar is pretty much all Troll design. You can't really see much of the Titan aspect of Dazar'alor except for the Seal itself, the obvious Titan reliquary type thing behind the bank, and a bit more when you venture inside the complex during the Dazar'alor raid. The Trolls have covered up a lot of the original Titanic stuff with their own aesthetics.

[LemonDemonGirl]

The Titans are probably okay with that - they wanted sentient life to settle the world they ordered, and didn't really have any intent on keeping the land to themselves or anything. That being said it doesn't seem like Titan installations are very welcoming locales, all told; what with the experimentation on Old God essences and serving as the prisons of implacable planet-eaters.

Since trolls are the oldest mortal race on Azeroth, it makes me wonder if the Titans made them or they evolved from an earlier race

[Kemsa]

As people already told. The troll tribes started to settle arround the Seals, wich they were already this BIG GOLDEN PYRAMIDS, and from there the Zandalari rise over the other tribes and started to be like "this version of god like emperors" and more "prehistoric but evolved" than the other tribes. Wich also makes the other intriguing question, did Uldir was always there below Nazmir or it was a big city before the cataclysm. Or that the Qiraji and the zandalari are relatives (there were skeletons of zandalari using the same robes and "gear" than the Qiraji humanoids.

Maybe the titans "Bloodforge/titanforge" the qiraji in something that could fight the old gods, remember, the trolls were actually the only and first race to defeat old god minions .

[Aucald]

Since trolls are the oldest mortal race on Azeroth, it makes me wonder if the Titans made them or they evolved from an earlier race

"Chronicle Vol. 1" states that the Trolls evolved due to the energies of the Well of the Eternity which basically effected and accelerated evolution across Azeroth, and the Trolls were some of the first sapient beings that evolved from animal life (and possibly elemental spirits made flesh). Those closest to the Well continued evolving until they became Night Elves later on, but those further away became the Zandalari, who established the first mortal empire across the Kalimdor super-continent of the pre-Sundering age.

[LemonDemonGirl]

"Chronicle Vol. 1" states that the Trolls evolved due to the energies of the Well of the Eternity which basically effected and accelerated evolution across Azeroth, and the Trolls were some of the first sapient beings that evolved from animal life (and possibly elemental spirits made flesh). Those closest to the Well continued evolving until they became Night Elves later on, but those further away became the Zandalari, who established the first mortal empire across the Kalimdor super-continent of the pre-Sundering age.

Hmm... It's been a while since I've read Chronicles, it's interesting to know that trolls might've been something else entirely

[ravenmoon]

"Chronicle Vol. 1" states that the Trolls evolved due to the energies of the Well of the Eternity which basically effected and accelerated evolution across Azeroth, and the Trolls were some of the first sapient beings that evolved from animal life (and possibly elemental spirits made flesh). Those closest to the Well continued evolving until they became Night Elves later on, but those further away became the Zandalari, who established the first mortal empire across the Kalimdor super-continent of the pre-Sundering age.

Does it say animal evolution or elemntal? Or did you just add that?

I thought all manner of life forms emerged from the well, the first were the wild gods.. so I don't think it was a process of animals evolving into sapient beings like Darwin's theory of evolution on earth.

My guess is that Azeroth spits out trolls as they from the Well of Eternity, like it does every other being, and the trolls who stay around it actually start evolving. Maybe the trolls weren't finished, but decided to walk out of the well before they were finished. - (that would make for an elf joke)

[Aucald]

Does it say animal evolution or elemntal? Or did you just add that?

I thought all manner of life forms emerged from the well, the first were the wild gods.. so I don't think it was a process of animals evolving into sapient beings like Darwin's theory of evolution on earth.

My guess is that Azeroth spits out trolls as they from the Well of Eternity, like it does every other being, and the trolls who stay around it actually start evolving. Maybe the trolls weren't finished, but decided to walk out of the well before they were finished. - (that would make for an elf joke)

"Chronicle Vol. 1" says that the Trolls evolved from animals, but it doesn't specify which or how. It also says that elemental spirits also became flesh, thus becoming animals themselves - we don't really know which happened first, or if the Trolls trace their lineage back to being Elementals, or if they were just animals that evolved. "Chronicle Vol. 1" specifically says (of Trolls) on pg. 70:

The Well accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth on the primordial continent, and soon sentient life forms arose from the wilds. The trolls were among the first and most prolific.

And of the Elementals who became animals (Proto-Drakes) on pg. 40:

The proto-dragons descend from elementals who avoided being imprisoned in the Elemental Plane and instead remained on Azeroth, where some of them gradually transformed into creatures of flesh and blood.

The influence of the Well of Eternity is obviously magical, and not at all like Darwinian evolution in the real-world - it's not adaptation based and more hyper-accelerated mutation along a very specific curve of development (e.g. the creation of sentient and sapient humanoid beings). The Well of Eternity didn't really "spit out" beings of any kind, it just influenced evolution along very a specific path in whatever it effected (which was essentially everything on Azeroth), giving rise to intelligent beings from the ranks of otherwise normal animals.

When the early Dark Trolls actually settled near its waters and started studying it, they went on to be deeply effected by it and became Night Elves.

[ravenmoon]

"Chronicle Vol. 1" says that the Trolls evolved from animals, but it doesn't specify which or how. It also says that elemental spirits also became flesh, thus becoming animals themselves - we don't really know which happened first, or if the Trolls trace their lineage back to being Elementals, or if they were just animals that evolved. "Chronicle Vol. 1" specifically says (of Trolls) on pg. 70:

And of the Elementals who became animals (Proto-Drakes) on pg. 40:

The influence of the Well of Eternity is obviously magical, and not at all like Darwinian evolution in the real-world - it's not adaptation based and more hyper-accelerated mutation along a very specific curve of development (e.g. the creation of sentient and sapient humanoid beings). The Well of Eternity didn't really "spit out" beings of any kind, it just influenced evolution along very a specific path in whatever it effected (which was essentially everything on Azeroth), giving rise to intelligent beings from the ranks of otherwise normal animals.

When the early Dark Trolls actually settled near its waters and started studying it, they went on to be deeply effected by it and became Night Elves.

Ah, but it doesnt say they are from animals directly or from the well. Was wondering if you made that connection.

From what it says, the trolls didnt emerge from the well, they emerged from the life forms that spread into the wilds, the well having greatly accelerated the cycle (assuming evolution), to the point that tolls can self emerge from one of the more advanced beings.

As it says in the wilds , we cant assume the trolls came from the Well of Eternity like I did in my previous statement, they evolved from creatures who would have come from the well of eternity at some point in their development.