[TV] Disney+ Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi

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Maybe, but I'm sure if I wore a shirt that said, "The Force is male" I'd have a free one-way ticket to being called a million -ists and -isms, so lets be honest here. Gendered pandering is gendered pandering no matter which gender it is.

And if you walked around with a "White Lives Matter" shirt on, people would assume you're a white supremacist. Rightly. Because context exists, and feigning otherwise just let's everyone know it's deliberate.

[Ghost of Cow]

And if you walked around with a "White Lives Matter" shirt on, people would assume you're a white supremacist. Rightly. Because context exists, and feigning otherwise just let's everyone know it's deliberate.

Except one is actually in reference to a named group with a lot of context, and the other is gendered pandering that just happens to be deemed acceptable.

At least be honest about what it is. It's not like there's some "Female Force Matters" movement or something.

[Darththeo]

Except one is actually in reference to a named group with a lot of context, and the other is gendered pandering that just happens to be deemed acceptable.

At least be honest about what it is. It's not like there's some "Female Force Matters" movement or something.

I am sorry, but do you think that every men centric ad is instantly labeled sexist or misogynistic? There are tons of male targeted pandering in the world.

[Ghost of Cow]

I am sorry, but do you think that every men centric ad is instantly labeled sexist or misogynistic? There are tons of male targeted pandering in the world.

Extreme red herring alert.

[Orange Joe]

Except one is actually in reference to a named group with a lot of context, and the other is gendered pandering that just happens to be deemed acceptable.

At least be honest about what it is. It's not like there's some "Female Force Matters" movement or something.

Yeah cause women have always been treated equally and had the same rights as men right? They were always allowed to vote. Never had to fight for any rights, and don't have a bunch of men telling them what they can and can't do with their body

[Ghost of Cow]

Yeah cause women have always been treated equally and had the same rights as men right? They were always allowed to vote. Never had to fight for any rights, and don't have a bunch of men telling them what they can and can't do with their body

Also a red herring?

What do these things have to do with the topic? We're not talking about a shampoo commercial or voting rights. Really weird that people are bringing these things up in the first place, as if it would somehow excuse bad actions.

[deenman]

Well...this show was complete garbage...the entire point of the show was centered around the blacvk inquisitor chick,but they knew she sucked both as a character and as an actress,so they had to sacrifice belioved characters like kenobi and vader at its altar....sigh

[Orange Joe]

Also a red herring?

What do these things have to do with the topic? We're not talking about a shampoo commercial or voting rights. Really weird that people are bringing these things up in the first place, as if it would somehow excuse bad actions.

You call it pandering. We call it awareness. It's not a red herring you just know you are wrong and can't argue against it.

[Ghost of Cow]

You call it pandering. We call it awareness. It's not a red herring you just know you are wrong and can't argue against it.

How is declaring "The Force" to be female "awareness"? Awareness of what?

And yes, talking about things like voting rights IS a complete red herring in this case. You can't just say, "but voting! Hah, you lose!" every time someone questions something a woman does.

[Orange Joe]

How is declaring "The Force" to be female "awareness"? Awareness of what?

And yes, talking about things like voting rights IS a complete red herring in this case. You can't just say, "but voting! Hah, you lose!" every time someone questions something a woman does.

wooooosh.... go on and be you. I could not care less to change your opinion.

[Ghost of Cow]

wooooosh.... go on and be you. I could not care less to change your opinion.

There's nothing to change, I don't even view the act itself negatively. I just wish people could be honest that it's not some holy noble act and is just a group wanting to flex a little when it's socially acceptable to do so. It's not like she used the platform for something useful, it was just a silly girl power thing.

[Darththeo]

Extreme red herring alert.

Tell me you don't know what a red herring is without telling me you don't know what a red herring is.

You made the claim that if you made a male gender pandering campaign it would be labeled as an -ist.
I am asking you if you actually believe that all male gender pandering is labeled as such.

Given your response here, your answer is no which makes your original complaint invalid.

[Orange Joe]

Tell me you don't know what a red herring is without telling me you don't know what a red herring is.

You made the claim that if you made a male gender pandering campaign it would be labeled as an -ist.
I am asking you if you actually believe that all male gender pandering is labeled as such.

Given your response here, your answer is no which makes your original complaint invalid.

inb4 it's only pandering because it's for a female.

[Ghost of Cow]

Tell me you don't know what a red herring is without telling me you don't know what a red herring is.

You made the claim that if you made a male gender pandering campaign it would be labeled as an -ist.
I am asking you if you actually believe that all male gender pandering is labeled as such.

Given your response here, your answer is no which makes your original complaint invalid.

We're not talking about commercials or something here. Of course marketing targets people by gender and that's expected.

I asked if I wore a, "The Force is male" shirt what would happen. And people just can't really be honest about it.

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inb4 it's only pandering because it's for a female.

Yes, start tossing the -ists around. You're such a winner! +social credits for you.

[Darththeo]

We're not talking about commercials or something here. Of course marketing targets people by gender and that's expected.

I asked if I wore a, "The Force is male" shirt what would happen. And people just can't really be honest about it.

You are contradicting yourself.

We are talking about a marketing toward woman. That's the subject.

[Ghost of Cow]

You are contradicting yourself.

We are talking about a marketing toward woman. That's the subject.

No we're not. We're talking about specific, exclusionary language used in reference to a work/setting/whatever you want to call it.

Again, what do you think of a, "The Force is male" shirt. You seem to want to keep dodging that.

[Orange Joe]

Yes, start tossing the -ists around. You're such a winner! +social credits for you.

Can you quote where I said any word with "ist" in it? freudian slip?

[Ghost of Cow]

Can you quote where I said any word with "ist" in it? freudian slip?

Oh yes, because you definitely weren't saying it. Sure, everyone here is 8 years old and can't see what you're doing, you got us.

[Orange Joe]

No we're not. We're talking about specific, exclusionary language used in reference to a work/setting/whatever you want to call it.

Again, what you you think of a, "The Force is male" shirt. You seem to want to keep dodging that.

If men were treated the same as females throughout history I would think the same.

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Just once, I'd like to have a Star Wars thread where the main topic WASN'T complaining that there's girls in Star Wars now.