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    Quote Originally Posted by Reman View Post
    Not to mention that in the coming weeks with the increased Catch-up mechanic, alts may have neck at lvl 75 by just doing intro content.
    That itself will take a solid number of weeks. But still, while you do have to do a bit extra, getting rank 1 is not that hard.

    Lucid Dreams - Slightly time gated as you need to days of dailies, but possible to do it in a few hours with some mob grinding (Personally, I feel that Blizz needs to double the XP given for followers, so you get 200 per daily, 150 for the epic bark, and 100 for all the rest).

    Unshackled rep - It's quite possible to hit honored in a single day if you can do the pet battles. Otherwise, you are looking at a few days of dailies.

    Mechagon rep - Bah. Requires several days of dailies to just get rank 1, not to mention the cost to buy the essences themselves.

    Conflict and Strife - Probably one of the easiest, as all you have to do is hit conquest cap, which you should do for those sexy 440 weapons with a shot at 445 corrupted gears. Rank 2 requires 11 arena wins. Rank 3 requires 3-5 weeks of conquest capping (Probably looking at 5)

    BGs - The hardest part really is the Island win. Epic and 10 man BG should be par for the course since you'll be capping conquest for C&S. However, rank 2/3 are without doubt the essence ranks that require the most time investment.

    M+Raid essences - Definetly not for alts

    Mechagon - Just need 1 run, then you can do +2 pugs for the rest of it.

    Overall, some rank 1s can be done in a day. A few rank 2s can also be done in a day, and even a handful of rank 3s, though most rank 3s will need someone to carry you to get them done in a day. Overall, Blizz needs to streamline some of the essences - Mechagon reps, for instance, should only cost 100 spare parts EACH, with 1 crate for rank 2, and 2 crates+oscillator for rank 3.

    XP for followers doubled across the board.

    PvP Island removed from criteria. Honor required reduced by 75%.

    For the M+, rank 1 needs to be available immediately on completing ANY M+, even 2s, even if time expires. Rank 2s come from +4 on time. Rank 3 stays the same.

    For EP essences, instant rank 1 upon killing any EP boss, even in LFR. 2/3 can remain the same.

    OVerall, I feel those changes should make getting 4 rank 1 essences much easier, and even a number of rank 2s. Rank 3s, imo, should require a good bit of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    Mechagon - Just need 1 run, then you can do +2 pugs for the rest of it.
    You need 2 heroic runs. 1 for each rank. After that 4 +2's which is possible or you could try for heroic and hope for a drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    For EP essences, instant rank 1 upon killing any EP boss, even in LFR. 2/3 can remain the same.
    Huh? Is that a change you are wanting to see? Because that isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    You need 2 heroic runs. 1 for each rank. After that 4 +2's which is possible or you could try for heroic and hope for a drop.



    Huh? Is that a change you are wanting to see? Because that isn't the case.
    Hrmm, wasn't aware that you can get rank 1/2 from heroic, thought it required mythic.

    For EP, yes - ATM, you get a certain amount of Aqueous Reliquary from the wing-end bosses - Radiance, Queen's Court, and Queen Azshara. A casual player who ONLY does LFR will need to do LFR for 3 weeks to get rank 1 of any. 2 weeks if you only do normal. JUST for rank 1. While it is now no longer difficult to do heroic EP, that's still quite a bit for an essence.

    Thus - Rank 1 of the EP essences only requires a single boss kill no matter the difficulty. Rank 2/3 requiring a bit more time is fine.
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    This is a good middle ground for Blizzard wanting to gate essences for retention rates and also keeping the players happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    You don't need Exalted anymore to get Rank 3, which means you can get it done in a week, maybe 2 if you don't do *everything*.
    And Rank 2 probably on Day 1-2.
    You cannot get rank 3 in a week, wtf are you talking about. Nazjatar essences (specifically the essence tied to follower XP) is minimum 3 weeks (doing every quest every day), as is the rep essence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp1on2 View Post
    You cannot get rank 3 in a week, wtf are you talking about. Nazjatar essences (specifically the essence tied to follower XP) is minimum 3 weeks (doing every quest every day), as is the rep essence.
    They nerfed the follower ones. You now need 2,400 instead of 3,000 and 4,800 instead of 6,000. There are also multiple ways to rank up your followers through the various items so you can do it in about two weeks, maybe slightly less if you have nice RNG with the murlocs and everything dropping every day. Even then you are looking at 8 days for Rank 2 and 16 days for Rank 3 if you did absolutely nothing else.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    Conflict and Strife - Probably one of the easiest, as all you have to do is hit conquest cap, which you should do for those sexy 440 weapons with a shot at 445 corrupted gears. Rank 2 requires 11 arena wins. Rank 3 requires 3-5 weeks of conquest capping (Probably looking at 5)
    Just to correct this one. You don't need 11 arena wins to get rank 2 for Conflict, you need 1k rating. Not only that, but you need 15 shards and 1k rating only gives 1 shard each week which means you need to cap conquest 15 weeks to get rank 3, unless you get higher rating.

    1400-1599 is 3 shards
    1600-1799 is 5 shards
    1800-2099 is 6 shards
    2100-2399 is 8 shards
    2400+ is 10 shards

  8. #188
    I think it is time to get essences account wide and not only rank 1. Or maybe get an account wide currency just by playing your main and the currency can be used to buy all the essences the main has.

    wow.gamepedia.com -> Alt
    Is there an official definition of what an alt is ? There are lots of discussions about the difference between an alt and a second main. I find it sad that WoW has such great endgame content with M+, Mythic raid and PvP but they require endless boring chores that nobody really enjoyed doing.

    I used to play lots of alts to have all roles ready to help guildies do different kind of content. Now I just play my main because I can't find the strength to force myself into that shit content on another character. Farming AP and reputation is not hard, it is just boring and time gated. That's just not fun.

    That's just too bad really, I don't understand Blizzard stubbornness. Alt is free content for them, they don't have to implement anything new. It keeps the game varied. I am kinda bored with my main at the moment and I cancelled my sub. I still have 3 months left, hopefully they change their mind. Game should be fun, I don't come from work to work on other chores in a game.

  9. #189
    I dont need them acc wide but the timegating should be removed on alts. Why should I again wait 3 weeks for Iris or Worldvein? Strife rank 3 is taking 5 weeks on 1400 rat. Lucid dream takes almost month for rank 3 if you're doing the 3 quests every day. Not to mention elemental from EP. That's just stupid.
    Right now when you level up you can't do anything but grind for 3 weeks or more

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    Cool. Do some content on that alt and get them essences maybe? They shouldn't be handed to you.
    you are absolutely right it shouldn't be handed to you, but you should not be forced to prioritize old content over new content to be able to play the new content due to mandatory rental powers. If this is something you enjoy, go play classic. Wow has not been like that in years, up until legion with shitty legendaries and now bfa with even worse essences

    I would have had no problem unlocking essences if i could do it 8.3 content, and not be forced back to timegated 8.2 content, which btw i did to death on my main and a few alts back then. I even got the crab mount, so i have done nazjatar more than enough

    Blizzard could just have made essences drop as boe tokens in visions or invasions. Get a boa rank 1 worldvein if you have unlocked rank 2 etc.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    They nerfed the follower ones. You now need 2,400 instead of 3,000 and 4,800 instead of 6,000.
    I know. you cannot gain rank 3 in a week as the person I quoted stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    16 days for Rank 3 if you did absolutely nothing else.
    Which is....exactly what I said.

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    Essences aren't keeping me from playing the game but they certainly aren't helping me want to play either. I simply can't do scheduled raiding for the foreseeable future which leaves pugging and mythic plus, areas of the game that aren't exactly exciting to me as a past progression raider. If I'm going to be doing content I don't find entirely fulfilling then I want to make it more fulfilling by broadening the experience with different roles, classes, and specs. Essences not being account-bound and having to farm out essences on every character, which I have one of each class at 120 by this point since I haven't raided since Jaina, just means I'm further discouraged from playing the game. Especially when you tack on AP, gear, and whatever the hell the new systems added in are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I have 22 120s, ranging from 425 ilevel to 457, 13 of which have their Wrathion cloak and all of which have at least 4-5 essences.

    But please, tell me again how only the people with no alts are the only ones rebutting this lazy and entitled argument.



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    Exactly. If I want something for my lock, I will go get it for my lock. I don't sit here screeching 'reeeeeee my lock should have all the stuff my warrior has!!!!'

    BFA has a long list of problems - for me it has been the 2nd worst expansion released so far - but having to put in a modicum of effort to get some essences on alts ain't one of them.

    edit: fixed the 110 typo
    With 22 120's, you're the example of a player who's addicted hard to the game and needs the grind and other similar things to feel better when playing the game. It's entirely normal for you to wish the same on others, that's just how addicts function.
    For people who organically play the game on 1-5 alts (or maybe 6-7) and are not addicted to the grind like you are, it's just a pointless slow burn that's entirely unnecessary and can be fixed just by making it more convenient.
    For people so vehemently against account wide essences, would you personally be at a loss if they were to be made account wide at any point? Do you fee like something's being taken away from you when that happens? If the answer to that is a yes, then you are someone with an unhealthy pride or obsession with your character's progress and time investment, to the point where you want others to suffer just as you have.

    It's simple - If I main a DK and decide to swap to a Mage because my class/spec is gimped and I no longer enjoy playing it because of blizzard's balancing and design issues, then I shouldn't be gated in terms of being provided the most basic tools for my class/spec on my alt to perform at an acceptable level in entry content. The way things stand, there's a very large difference between having no Lucid Dreams, and to having rank 3, to the point where Combustion which is THE cooldown on a fire mage, feels bad to press. That is the issue that essences were introduced to fix, and as such should not be gated.
    Plain and simple.
    This was just 1 example obviously, but could be applied to X other class with Y essence. Take your picks.

    In no other expansion have you ever been denied your basic class tools that you need to function. The only aspect you ever needed to catch up on was gear. Essences =/= gear, they are a fix for broken classes.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp1on2 View Post
    I know. you cannot gain rank 3 in a week as the person I quoted stated.

    Which is....exactly what I said.
    Actually that's not true. It is very much possible to get it in one week if they truly wanted to.

    Here's the breakdown:

    • Dailies - 2100 XP (300 XP x 7 Days)
    • Ancient Reefwalker Bark - 300 XP (100 XP per follower) Weekly
    • Naga Deployment Orders - 450 XP (150 XP per follower) Weekly Chests / Mrrl
    • Giant Crab Leg - 50 XP per turnin
    • Fathom Ray Wing - 50 XP per turnin
    • Eel Filet - 50 XP per turn in
    • Reefwalker Bark - 60 XP (20 XP per follower)
    • Unusually Wise Hermit Crab - 75 XP Mrrl
    So if you were to turn in everything at least once you would end up with 3135 needing to grind 1665 unless you get lucky with multiple spawns of the hermit crab in a week. Would it be a bit insane? Yes, but it is still possible and within the realm of people wanting to be able to grind things up in a week to speed up the process (something many here were asking about).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Actually that's not true. It is very much possible to get it in one week if they truly wanted to.

    Here's the breakdown:

    • Dailies - 2100 XP (300 XP x 7 Days)
    • Ancient Reefwalker Bark - 300 XP (100 XP per follower) Weekly
    • Naga Deployment Orders - 450 XP (150 XP per follower) Weekly Chests / Mrrl
    • Giant Crab Leg - 50 XP per turnin
    • Fathom Ray Wing - 50 XP per turnin
    • Eel Filet - 50 XP per turn in
    • Reefwalker Bark - 60 XP (20 XP per follower)
    • Unusually Wise Hermit Crab - 75 XP Mrrl
    So if you were to turn in everything at least once you would end up with 3135 needing to grind 1665 unless you get lucky with multiple spawns of the hermit crab in a week. Would it be a bit insane? Yes, but it is still possible and within the realm of people wanting to be able to grind things up in a week to speed up the process (something many here were asking about).
    So what you're saying is, it's impossible for any normal player to get in a week. by this ridiculous logic it was always obtainable in a week . Thanks for clarifying.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp1on2 View Post
    Tell me what I say isn't true, then post exact numbers that demonstrate what I said is true.
    I did post numbers in the exact same post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temp1on2 View Post
    So what you're saying is, it's impossible for any normal player to get in a week. by this ridiculous logic it was always obtainable in a week . Thanks for clarifying.
    Well you know according to MMOC and everywhere this is normal player behavior.

    What I was actually saying was how you originally claimed it was impossible to get it in a week. Nothing was said about normal player behavior or anything. You just dismissed the person saying it was not possible. The 3135 rep is very much possible and doable through casual play. The 1665 would vary depending on how much you grind and how much the murlocs spawn.

    And no, originally it was not obtainable in a week as you needed 1665 + an additional 1200 rep. Which is even more insane and I doubt doable even if you farmed all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Well you know according to MMOC and everywhere this is normal player behavior.
    Wut? The entire point of the discussion was that essences are unreasonably tedious to attain for alts, who has ever claimed its normal for people to grind for hours on alts in old content for items that are pretty much required for normal operation of (some) classes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    What I was actually saying was how you originally claimed it was impossible to get it in a week. Nothing was said about normal player behavior or anything.
    Pedantry.

    Clearly by the context of the the discussion this was implied. In any case this comes down to design - and the content is not designed to be completed the way you're saying, in fact there are arbitrary barriers in place to slow your progress

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    You just dismissed the person saying it was not possible. The 3135 rep is very much possible and doable through casual play. The 1665 would vary depending on how much you grind and how much the murlocs spawn.
    Calculate how much time this would take and then we'll talk.

    Again, to reiterate, we are predominately talking about alts, which average player has anywhere near this time to invest in an alt and in old content? You wouldn't even have enough time to do current content if you attempted - which is a major point of the discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    And no, originally it was not obtainable in a week as you needed 1665 + an additional 1200 rep. Which is even more insane and I doubt doable even if you farmed all the time.
    This is an arbitrary distinction on your part, why is 2865 follower points an unreasonably insane grind but 1665 isn't?

    Seems like you're deliberately trying to be obtuse to make a point that doesn't impact the discussion whatsoever: 8.2 (Nazjatar in particular) essences are arbitrarily tedious to obtain, they are purposefully designed to take weeks of continuous play (in old content) at the expense of class viability and current content.

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    Up to rank 3 should be account wide for 8.2 content. Irrespective of the changes that have been made, forcing people into regrinding reputation and components from 8.2 for 3 weeks, while trying to maintain 8.3 content, isn't fun or enjoyable gameplay.

    The idea that I have to stuck to one single play style isn't fun or compelling either. Saying that making essences is going to hurt the game is shear nonsense. We're in the final patch of the xpac, Blizzard has repeatedly stated they want players to have fun with alts, and the essence system is going away. Also, if you are of the mindset that applying a BoA to an another character hurts the game, you do NOT have to use the system. You can regrind until your hearts content.

    I love my dk but it gets boring as absolute fuck just doing that all the time. I love the challenge and verarity of my druid, mage, paladin, warrior, hunter, demonhunter, priest, and monk. I love playing them all. I have 17 alts, 8 alts have at least rank 6 cloak. However, the amount of time to keep regrinding the essences just makes me hate the fucking game. I want to play 8.3. I want to do things in 8.3, 8.2 is done.

    Also, Blizzard spent time setting up Korraks Revenge, Blizzard knew people would want to use that as a means to level characters they've never played or haven't played in a long time, because Legion and BfA have been so goddamn unalt friendly, they repeatedly said at BlizzCon they want alts to be fun, yet here we are getting fucking cucked by Ion and Blizzard on alts.

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