Iowa Caucus 2020 - MegaThread

[Elegiac]

And weren't Sanders supporters calling for this for days?

Look Edge, I know you wanted to stop for FDR but we already have FDR at home.

Now shush and vote for Bernie Sanders. /s

[kaelleria]

No, this is more nonsense.

Perez calling for a recanvas in light of the monumentally epic shitshow that this is is his way of being the "neutral" party to call for one so that no candidate's campaign can be accused of being "sore losers" etc.

Ryan Grim is not actually connecting anything in the Dan Merica tweet to his allegation that this is due to Sanders getting more votes in satellites.

And weren't Sanders supporters calling for this for days?

YEP!

At this point the only thing that matters from the Iowa caucuses are optics for the candidates. So far Pete has been winning the optics game.

[Drutt]

Nah... It was actually mostly the satellites within Iowa. They purposefully went out and told people to come to satellites rather than actual caucuses, which is a pretty smart idea as no one was paying attention to them. The only issue is, the double dipped on the turnout bonuses and got Bernie nearly 4 extra SDEs...

I hope and trust that this isn't a huge shock, but my comment wasn't remotely serious.

Sorry, probably should have used the /s tag given the current climate.

[beanman12345]

YEP!

At this point the only thing that matters from the Iowa caucuses are optics for the candidates. So far Pete has been winning the optics game.

nobody has been winning the optics game. and the only person losing the optics game is biden.

[Elegiac]

nobody has been winning the optics game. and the only person losing the optics game is biden.

You don't think a straight-coded gay mayor of a small Indiana town managing to out-caucus a candidate with nearly universal name recognition and policy associations is winning the optics game?

Bernie's shtick is the idea of a popular revolution. If he can't hack it in Iowa of all places, that doesn't bode well for places he typically does worse in.

I.e. the South.

[beanman12345]

You don't think a straight-coded gay mayor of a small Indiana town managing to out-caucus a candidate with nearly universal name recognition and policy associations is winning the optics game?

Bernie's shtick is the idea of a popular revolution. If he can't hack it in Iowa of all places, that doesn't bode well for places he typically does worse in.

I.e. the South.

blah blah blah you hate sanders nobody cares.

[kaelleria]

nobody has been winning the optics game. and the only person losing the optics game is biden.

Nope - Pete has been everywhere in since the caucuses. Morning shows, townhalls, SoTU rebuttals, The View, etc...

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You don't think a straight-coded gay mayor of a small Indiana town managing to out-caucus a candidate with nearly universal name recognition and policy associations is winning the optics game?

Bernie's shtick is the idea of a popular revolution. If he can't hack it in Iowa of all places, that doesn't bode well for places he typically does worse in.

I.e. the South.

The entire theory of his campaign went up in smoke... There was no elevated turnout amongst his core constituency... young people.

[Inuyaki]

That's nice dear. Having been a progressive living overseas I do not value him as a candidate at all.

Don't speak for me.

I didn't speak for anyone, I said it skews into that direction.

Also you are a progressive overseas? Where?
Which candidate do you prefer then?
Just curious, because he is the only one with mostly progressive policies and since you identify as progressive... I am confused.
I mean I guess sometimes you just don't like the politician as a person, but for me personally this only matters if multiple people have policies I like.

PS I meant progressive from a European perspective btw, if that was not clear maybe

[Edge-]

blah blah blah you hate sanders nobody cares.

Y'all are ridiculous. Making criticisms and pointing out weaknesses and reality don't mean we hate Sanders.

Jesus, y'all are as "head in the sand anytime you say anything I don't like" as the Trump crowd.

[Elegiac]

I didn't speak for anyone, I said it skews into that direction.

Also you are a progressive overseas? Where?
Which candidate do you prefer then?
Just curious, because he is the only one with mostly progressive policies and since you identify as progressive... I am confused.
I mean I guess sometimes you just don't like the politician as a person, but for me personally this only matters if multiple people have policies I like.

PS I meant progressive from a European perspective btw, if that was not clear maybe

Yes, I also meant from a European perspective, given that I was born in Australia. You know, that place that has universal healthcare, subsidised tertiary education, high minimum wage, et cetera.

And I'm firmly in Warren's camp despite being quite a red blooded socialist. Something Bernie Bros seem to have a difficult time comprehending, hence why they feel the need to resort to calling me a closet right winger despite years of visceral left wing posting on this very forum.

[beanman12345]

Y'all are ridiculous. Making criticisms and pointing out weaknesses and reality don't mean we hate Sanders.

Jesus, y'all are as "head in the sand anytime you say anything I don't like" as the Trump crowd.

oh give me a break. @Elegiac does nothing but rail against sanders with vitriol and irrational hatred. get your head out of your ass and you'd easily see it.

[Elegiac]

oh give me a break. @Elegiac does nothing but rail against sanders with vitriol and irrational hatred. get your head out of your ass and you'd easily see it.

I've quite clearly explained my rationalisations for disliking Sanders, thanks.

Not one of them has to do with his policies, because that isn't the only thing that counts. Competence, however, is a requirement.

[Inuyaki]

And I'm firmly in Warren's camp despite being quite a red blooded socialist. Something Bernie Bros seem to have a difficult time comprehending, hence why they feel the need to resort to calling me a closet right winger despite years of visceral left wing posting on this very forum.

I mean you could explain your position against Sanders instead of just trashing him in every 2nd post.
Also Warren is at least centrist and I conceded in my first post that she could steal some progressives. So I really don't understand your problem with that post.

PS okay, so policies are not the problem (makes sense), what's with his competence? :O
And why do you think Warren is more competent? (not saying she isn't, she mostly is... but she also had some blunders over the last few months, which actually made me swing from her to Bernie) [I can't vote anyway though, so whatever]

[Elegiac]

I mean you could explain your position against Sanders instead of just trashing him in every 2nd post.

If you're reading enough of my posts to know what every 2nd one contains, you should be well familiar with my reasoning.

Also Warren is at least centrist and I conceded in my first post that she could steal some progressives. So I really don't understand your problem with that post.

"Steal" implies Bernie is entitled to our votes. He isn't.

Also Elizabeth "Wealth Tax" Warren is a centrist? Y'all are deluded. She's firmly center-left.

Quite frankly she has more in common with the baseline Democrat voter than Bernie. In any other country he'd be shunted off to some tinpot third party like Alexis Tsipras.

[Dug]

Since the shittiest posters have all but been run off this website or are perpetually banned the chronically online forum warriors have to turn their ire towards other people and this time its Sanders supporters.

Throw em on ignore it's one thing to have disagreement its another when they're just annoying Reply Guys™

[Edge-]

Since the shittiest posters have all but been run off this website or are perpetually banned the chronically online forum warriors have to turn their ire towards other people and this time its Sanders supporters.

Throw em on ignore it's one thing to have disagreement its another when they're just annoying Reply Guys™

Not in the slightest. I'm just here debunking misinformation and trying to educate people who can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds googling something before getting on their moral high horse to express righteous indignation.

[Elegiac]

Or hell, if he wanted to go full Nick Xenophon and blatantly run on a cult of personality ticket he could just start the Bernie Sanders Team party.

[Dug]

Not in the slightest. I'm just here debunking misinformation and trying to educate people who can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds googling something before getting on their moral high horse to express righteous indignation.

Have fun convincing the general public. You can bitch and moan about how Iowa is totally always like this and its just standard procedure with your little disclaimer that "Oh trust me I think its shitty too!" but the optics of this are just garbage for the Democrats and non-online Sanders supporters.

[Edge-]

You can bitch and moan about how Iowa is totally always like this and its just standard procedure with your little disclaimer that "Oh trust me I think its shitty too!" but the optics of this are just garbage for the Democrats and non-online Sanders supporters.

I've in no way, ever disputed that the optics are garbage. Or that the IDP is a fucking disaster and needs to have their leadership resign.

What I have disputed is everything ranging from complaints about "BUT IT SHOULD BE POPULAR VOTE!" to "BUT RULES WERE CHANGED!" to "BUT THEY ARE ROUNDING UP WRONG!" because in almost every instance there's either no actual data backing up the allegations (there is human error, but most of the "rounding issues" were actually how the numbers are supposed to be handled) or people are basically getting mad that they didn't bother to read the rules on how these things work for the last 4 years and expect immediate change now that they're upset.

[beanman12345]

Since the shittiest posters have all but been run off this website or are perpetually banned the chronically online forum warriors have to turn their ire towards other people and this time its Sanders supporters.

Throw em on ignore it's one thing to have disagreement its another when they're just annoying Reply Guys™

I have no problem having normal discussions with rational people, but i did just add that person to my adblock script. their hysterics is just so OTT and i'm over it.