Iowa Caucus 2020 - MegaThread

[Edge-]

I literally quoted the exact passage defining resilient infrastructure but ok.

To address... -

Ensure all federal investments in infrastructure are climate resilient. Promoting resilient
infrastructure is crucial to preparing communities against climate change.

No definition yet, just repetition.

The American Clean Energy Bank and Regional Resilience Hubs will finance investments in resilient infrastructure, and we will develop federal guidelines for investments in and implementation of new approaches, including
nature-based solutions, that make our natural resources, communities, and individual Americans safer and more resilient.

We still don't have a definition here, but we have him saying that they'll figure this all out later. But still aren't actually defining "resilient" despite continue to repeat frequently.

We will work with Congress to set a national climate risk reduction standard for federal investments. This will ensure that every federal dollar used will support programs and projects that are resilient to climate risks such as flooding, wildfires, and drought.

Resilient how? Still hasn't defined.

All federally-funded infrastructure projects would be screened for climate risk and designed, built, and operated to manage that risk across their full life cycle

And still nothing.

This is pretty standard messaging fluff, I write this kind of garbage for a living (and hate when I actually have to write it). There is absolutely an art to saying absolutely nothing in a lot of words while sounding like you're saying something, and it's very much in-play here.

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No definition yet, just repetition.


We still don't have a definition here, but we have him saying that they'll figure this all out later. But still aren't actually defining "resilient" despite continue to repeat frequently.


Resilient how? Still hasn't defined.


And still nothing.

This is pretty standard messaging fluff, I write this kind of garbage for a living (and hate when I actually have to write it). There is absolutely an art to saying absolutely nothing in a lot of words while sounding like you're saying something, and it's very much in-play here.

Exactly. All politicians do this, but Buttigieg is particularly prone to it from what I've seen. I presume because he's well-trained in this kind of stuff from his time at McKinsey, since this is literally what they do, as a company; spin.

When writing for a general audience, you often have to leave a lot of wiggle room in a definition to allow for variance across the spectrum of implementations, but with regards to a proposed policy by a single individual, you should be able to identify specific objectives and criteria. Buttigieg's is the latter; writing for a general audience is more about stuff like "hey, all you architects, here's how to improve resilience in your design projects", where you want to cover everything from landscape architecture to suburban development to megaprojects. All working in different fields, with different standards, in different jurisdictions. Pete should be able to specify target goals more clearly than that.

[matt4pack]

Don't think I've used "brocialist", but sadly "Bernie Bros" have proven themselves to actually exist and not just be a media creation. I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the worst of Sanders supporters just because he's a progressive. That's Trump/Republican style sticking your head in the sand.

I'll keep calling it out because that's what progressives do, because we should always try to be better.

Going by this thread the anti-bernie people are the ones being the most toxic by far.

But keep going with the "Bernie Bros" nonsense and not looking in the mirror.

[Fugus]

Ok, so this is still going? Like.... Seriously?

Have the results changed any or is it still Sanders and Butti?

[Thelxi]

There's a lot of evidence out there that Bernie stans are the reason Bernie ended up losing Iowa... Lots of accounts from caucus night where rude Bernie folks ended up alienating people that would have have realigned to him otherwise.

That actually sounds quite funny. Seeing them seething IRL, shocked and indignant at the audacity of anyone not standing in their corner.

[Jehct]

That actually sounds quite funny. Seeing them seething IRL, shocked and indignant at the audacity of anyone not standing in their corner.

When people think they are so morally righteous and so far up their own ass.. They get super entitled and feel like anybody who isn't in their corner is a bigot. That's why you see so many baffled Berners. "It MuSt Be ThE dNc ScAmMiNg AgAiN"

[mvaliz]

Why is so much importance placed on this one single state and what comes out of it?

As others have stated before, despite obviously being the first primary - it's always an initial indicator of where the country stands as it has generally picked the winner.

By all accounts, it is a shitshow every year,

No, not like this - NOTHING ever like this! >_<

There's always debates on quibbling things, but never an outright week-long oholyshitdebackle like this. And, yeah, there's plenty of calls at this point to punt the concept of the Iowa Caucus as a focal point now.

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I'm talking about seeing how the results from the primaries that are coming up will be...

I'm agreeing with you - I'm just saying it's going to be shorter than months. ;P

[mvaliz]

I said the next month, not months. And you specifically spoke about how Iowa would be quickly forgotten, which has fuck all to do with the various primaries happening over the course of the next four weeks. You even pffft the idea that it wouldn’t be...

Dude... I meant the "pfft" as a joke - Like a side-snicker, not an outright serious dismissal! >_< And I'm sorry for putting an "s" next to Month, my mistake - but it doesn't change my point though. I said, I was AGREEING with you! :P

C'mon! We've chatted before, this me we're talking about! =/

I'll remember to be more clear in future... but I thought the emotes made it clear enough. This is why I tend to overuse them in my postings to avoid this kind of misinterpretation. =/

EDIT: I meant it like "Pfft (snicker)... it's not even going to take a month. I expect the next debacle to be happening in a week or so! :P" Again, sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Why not, and what latest news?

I think his leadership is misguided.

As for the latest

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/iowa...reporting.html

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21...n-warren-trump

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/polit...aos/index.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...emocrats_iowa/

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ay-vote-2020-2

[Edge-]

I think his leadership is misguided.

As for the latest

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/iowa...reporting.html

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21...n-warren-trump

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/polit...aos/index.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...emocrats_iowa/

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ay-vote-2020-2

Oh, yeah, that news makes some of the chaos make sense.

But what has Perez done specifically that bugs you? I wasn't hot on him to begin with, but he helped oversee the 2018 Blue Wave and he's toned down his "I'm gonna be hip by swearing during speeches!" nonsense. He seems to be doing a fine job overall, he can't control campaigns or state parties and that seems to be where the issues are more often than not.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Oh, yeah, that news makes some of the chaos make sense.

But what has Perez done specifically that bugs you? I wasn't hot on him to begin with, but he helped oversee the 2018 Blue Wave and he's toned down his "I'm gonna be hip by swearing during speeches!" nonsense. He seems to be doing a fine job overall, he can't control campaigns or state parties and that seems to be where the issues are more often than not.

I think the allowing Bernie to run as a Democrat was a mistake, I think reaching out to Trump voters is a mistake, I think trying to attract the very blue dogs. I disagreed with him making Keith Ellison any part of his administration especially so called Co Chair.

As been stated, already by some he has been successful, and I just stuck my foot in my mouth about him in terms of the recent situation, there still some things I blame him for and a deep part of it is not leading the party with the focus I feel he should.

That said as I stated whoever gets the nomination gets my full support except for Tulsi. However IF Bernie does get the Nomination, like Tom Perez it will signal me being wrong about the right direction of the party.

If this comes from a pure place, and it's younger people taking the reigns, Ill fight it, but if they win, they'll have my support.


It's probably time for me to take a backseat

Oh and under the circumstances, the Iowa Caucus did the right thing, the App was stupid, but I like that they hammered it and waited until they can be sure. Conspiracy nuts and people looking for a reason to tear down the DNC don't matter, but getting is right it more important than getting it fast.

Just hope the Party Adapts and fixes any problems going forward to prevent this BS

[eschatological]

Feasibly to cut out Bernie in 2020 wouldn't have been possible after allowing him to run in 2016. Maybe they will change the rules when Bernie is gone (retired, not a viable Presidential candidate any more, deceased), and there's no Independent-who-wants-to-run-on-the-Dem-ticket any more. But to do it when he's still a voice on the Left would be....bad.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Feasibly to cut out Bernie in 2020 wouldn't have been possible after allowing him to run in 2016. Maybe they will change the rules when Bernie is gone (retired, not a viable Presidential candidate any more, deceased), and there's no Independent-who-wants-to-run-on-the-Dem-ticket any more. But to do it when he's still a voice on the Left would be....bad.

Fair enough, he has been on fire. If he wins or anyone else, I hope we unify, and fight and get the moron in the white house out.

[Blur4stuff]

Sanders represents the political desires of millions of Americans. He may be the one changing the party lately, but it was coming regardless. Conservative dems can't just kick them out and ignore what people want. Well, they can but it will just make it easier for people like Trump to win.

It's like old school dems just expect everyone to shut the fuck up and vote for who they choose. If they keep taking that kind of position they'll just kill the party or get kicked out themselves by new blood.

[Adam Jensen]

Is it just me that always forgets that Klobuchar is even there?

Who?

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[PACOX]

Sadly the trouble is also that, even when people don't have an issue with a candidate being gay then there's still a lot of bullshit stereotypes that he has to be fighting against. He's young and with a baby-face so that will just add to it.

Boomers, people who have spent all theirs lives have the' stately look' as one of their voting criteria, love him. It's its the 40, 30, 20 year olds who can't stand him.

[Skroe]

Feasibly to cut out Bernie in 2020 wouldn't have been possible after allowing him to run in 2016. Maybe they will change the rules when Bernie is gone (retired, not a viable Presidential candidate any more, deceased), and there's no Independent-who-wants-to-run-on-the-Dem-ticket any more. But to do it when he's still a voice on the Left would be....bad.

They absolutely need to prevent his democrat-for-day stunt and blacklist anyone who worked with his campaigns in 2016.

Some folks will bitch and moan about that. About how the Democratic Party doesn’t have a home for their glorious ideals.

Fuck ‘em.

Do it anyway. The Democratic Party will be fine and the Bernie revanchist will whiter in couple of cycles.

[Orange Joe]

Going by this thread the anti-bernie people are the ones being the most toxic by far.

But keep going with the "Bernie Bros" nonsense and not looking in the mirror.

I'll have to second this.

the amount of vitriol I have seen thrown at them in this thread is just stupidly ridiculous.

[Bodakane]

I firmly believe most of the anti bernies and the anti anyone not bernie, are russian trolls.

[Shadowferal]

Well, as long as they support him if he takes the nom.
Because that just may happen.