It doesnt matter how good you are anymore

[kabshiel]

I love that my alt, who only does WQs, now does significantly higher DPS than my heroic-raiding main purely because of lucky corruptions.

[bloodykiller86]

It really doesnt matter how good you are anymore, if your unlucky your shit, if your lucky your op.

2300 rio ppl dieing to season 1 mechanics in 17s/18s because there corruption carried them through 16s.
while there are good people who are struggling to do the 16s because they dont have the overpowered corruption to carry them through.
good players with overpowered corruption are already miiiiles ahead in rio.
played with a 2500 rio rdruid yday....top of fail meter.....rank 5 stars.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

corruption is far worse than legion legos because there is no blp.

the only good corruption i have is the corruption i bought, spending over 1.5million because i KNEW rng would shaft me (which it has)

my chests have contained
bm Hunter:
haste versa ring with versa on taking damage chance.....lol
crit/mastery wep with chance on versa when taking damage....lol

Druid:
void ritual....lol
avoidance.....lol (though i think this will be useful high tyanical unfortunately nobody has the brains for this yet)

Sort it out blizzard for fuck sake.

so what you're saying is because you don't run enough content to get good gear, you suck? because that has been THE GAME since the very beginning lol like these types of posts are just so dumb honestly

[TheLucky1]

Good that difficult mechanics don't care about your lucky gear/corruption drops, right?

Soooo it still matters..

[kaminaris]

They could've just made it more likely you get the right item, then, instead if adding the slot machine fiesta that is titanforging. Not that getting BiS was as rare as people like to claim in the first place(in good expansions like Cata/MoP/WoD. Cata basically "solved" loot and then they started fucking with it). If you consistently cleared the raid, you got BiS in every slot or nearly every slot long before next tier.
And again, items now are completely interchangeable with the exception of a few weapons and trinkets. Nothing feels special.

But that is never going to work with current wow and especially with M+ system.

Those were not "good" expansions, those expansions created this problem in the first place. If you raided you had ZERO chance to get potential upgrades from anywhere else, and if not for mount from mythic bosses, we would have killed this boss 2-3 times and be done with game for entire year.

Yeah, static gear will not work. I suggest you listen to what max said about gear (corruption, legiondaries, old system of gearing):

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/553171289?t=1h21m59s

Old system:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/553171289?t=1h25m55s

I don't agree with him about couple of things namely tier sets and azerite but he is correct about corruption and old gearing system.

[Ange]

Or they can just go back to VP allowing us to upgrade gear.

Suggestions from unsuccessfull expansions are not really things we will see most likely. 15 years of NEW_THINGS brought the game where it is right now and it rules the whole MMO market since its introduction. It would be a strange thing if they #1 listened to player feedback for the direction of the game, since they clearly know it better and #2 if they repeated solutions from that past that never worked out for a long time.

[Revamp Man]

Amen to this.

Corruption is still kinda garbage but I find a few good things about it

1. Corruption effects can be situational and thus swapped
2. With no raise to ilvl I can trade it
3. Doesn’t effect trinkets
4. Personally it actually feels like a bonus

[DemonDays]

Your fight became about TF/WF rather than those underlying philosophies though. So despite getting Blizzard to abandon TF/WF you aren't any closer to getting what you actually want...

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Satirical, not ironic. But yes that was the point. I suspect it was lost on it's intended recipient because his subsequent replies remain just as unreadable. If someone can't be bothered to put a little bit of effort into making their comment readable, I see no reason to put effort into trying to read it....

That's par for the course with 90% of the posters on this forum. Most of it is unintelligible dribble. Satire and irony is lost on them, they'll just report you for a free infraction because "my feelings".

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Corruption is still kinda garbage but I find a few good things about it

1. Corruption effects can be situational and thus swapped
2. With no raise to ilvl I can trade it
3. Doesn’t effect trinkets
4. Personally it actually feels like a bonus

Second week running I have got "A % of your ____ is converted to AVOIDANCE". On my Unholy DK. You know - a DPS spec.

The system is a worse RNG casino version of Titanforging. Ion is a pathological liar and a moron.

[Revamp Man]

That's par for the course with 90% of the posters on this forum. Most of it is unintelligible dribble. Satire and irony is lost on them, they'll just report you for a free infraction because "my feelings".

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Second week running I have got "A % of your ____ is converted to AVOIDANCE". On my Unholy DK. You know - a DPS spec.

The system is a worse RNG casino version of Titanforging. Ion is a pathological liar and a moron.

Personally I would be ok with that avoidance but I am the player that sees the movement speed tertiary as a dps increase.

The avoidance is useful in high m+ which is why in legion you saw ppl with avoidance sets

Like I said corruption is kinda garbage but it has fewer drawbacks and more positives than TF

[Eosia]

Are you trying to suggest that if Cata, MoP and WoD had Legion/BfA systems, there wouldnt have been sub losses?

No. Was just responding to a one-dimensional argument.

[odamienskii]

Oh that’s cute you think that I am not happy I am perfectly fine with the corruption system the way it is balancing will never be 100% great that’s fine it’s still better than the retarded cancer that we had for titan forging

Titan forging actually hurt players in the current system of World of Warcraft were item level is now a measure of how good you are and it is a measure of what gear you can trade and it is a measure of pretty much everything the super hard core players might bitch about corruption a little bit but that’s just a numbers game it’s the try Hards in the wannabes and a little jimmy who’s doing a mythic +6 in Legion but demanded everyone have a score of 1000 minimum and multiple gear sets in order to clear it

Titan forging actually hurt players in the current system of World of Warcraft where item level is now a measure of how good you are and it is a measure of what gear you can trade and it is a measure of pretty much everything the super hard core players might bitch about corruption a little bit but that’s just a numbers game it’s the try Hards in the wannabes and a little jimmy who’s doing a mythic +6 in Legion but demanded everyone have a score of 1000 minimum and multiple gear sets in order to clear it

The people bitching about tight and forging being removed or the people that relied on it are the people that got carried by it let it die in a hole

Corruption isn’t permanent either corruption is simply a placeholder for a new system whether or not that new system will be great is still to be seen personally I don’t give a shit I like the game now I no longer have to worry about being unable to trade loop that is useless to me just because it propped five item levels higher than what I already have

I’m fine with getting the strongest gear out of the hardest content oh no it doesn’t have a corruption that will kick me up 66 points that’s fine I’ll still be doing the hardest content I will still not be balanced around the corruption system it’s fine

The people who have led to all of these terrible changes in the systems of wow including tight and forging the removal of master lube gear locking in mythic plus those are retarded people those forum posts are retarded that mindset that train of thought is retarded people can be offended by that who cares
The people who have led to all of these terrible changes in the systems of wow including titan forging the removal of master loop gear locking in mythic plus those are retarded people those forum posts are retarded that mindset that train of thought is retarded people can be offended by that who cares

I never saw a good argument for titan forging that didn’t devolved into someone telling me I didn’t like it just because someone else got better loot I didn’t care about little Timmy getting better Louis cared about the fact that my character was nowhere near optimized simply because I wasn’t getting a lucky roll on a world boss drop from the beginning of the expansion

Reverse all of the stupid systems that blizzard has implemented around item level and yeah sure titan forging won’t be that bad but with the crap that they have now taken control out of our hands I’m happy that they took a system out of the game that help them do that I am happy to have more control over my character I am happy to be able to trade that pair of gloves that just dropped for me that is a downgrade to my friend who needs them

Reverse all of the stupid systems that blizzard has implemented around item level and yeah sure tighten forging won’t be that bad but with the crap that they have now taken control out of our hands I’m happy that they took a system out of the game to help them do that I am happy to have more control over my character I am happy to be able to trade that pair of gloves that just dropped for me that is a downgrade to my friend who needs them

I am ecstatic to be able to trade a rank three stars corrupted ring to my fellow raider so they can do more damage so we can kill the boss

If people think the only reason why people don’t like titan forging is because other people got loot or because of some kind of hard-core mentality then I believe that they are actually retarded and they should spend maybe five seconds looking into it but blizzard hires those people just like the blue Bornak

You gonna try to tell me a fury warrior in legion who had the helm and ring in his first 2 legos only did double the damage of the next guy who got nothing because hes more skilled? get real

Put a rank 4 twilight dk tank 1500 rio s3 next to a rank 3 versa on hit chance dk 2500 rio s3

Who is going to get the invites to the next party/key push, imagining the basics of the game and tactics are followed by both? newby guy looks like a god and rank 2500 guy looks bang average.

Corruption is making worse players ALOT more powerful than they deserve to be, thats all my point is.

I have legit had to start adding people to global ignore due to failing s1 mechanics because rio system currently doesnt tell you jack shit thanks to the boost bad ppl are getting.

Its taken the boost rogues have been getting for 3 season and given it to anyone that is lucky basically

[Tiwack]

Stop gatekeeping with/relying on rio and maybe get a more permanent group together if you plan to time +15 and beyond keys... with all the corruption changes rio scores are inflated as people cheesed wherever they could and now fall short while thinking they're still hot shit and their luck will continue to carry them.

[ID811717]

literally everyone that has 2k+ io in past seasons knows that there people that got there by being carried. In fact its probably 30-40% of people i encounter. Especially healers and ranged dps. People do the raid on mythic, get great gear then come to m+ and stomp it on an easy week. Then you get them signing to your group on a difficult week and dying to shit like surge on first boss SOTS.

True, but you can replace the "2k+" with just about any other score, and your claim will still be true... So not sure how useful this observation is, other than studying human psychology and complex social systems.

You can plug in 2.5k, or 3k, or 3.5k. And it's still full of people who do not know things that you would expect them to have known at 1k lower score.

[Qck]

I mean I've had 2.2k+ DH's last season who barely used chaos nova and interrupted less than a Moonkin, so I wouldn't say it's just corruptions that inflated people.

Braindead players FOTM rerolling to braindead classes to do insane damage while having no idea how to actually play? Welcome to WoW post MoP(?). It feels like that was probably the turning point.

Too many players playing classes they don't really know because it's the current "best".

[Revamp Man]

You gonna try to tell me a fury warrior in legion who had the helm and ring in his first 2 legos only did double the damage of the next guy who got nothing because hes more skilled? get real

Put a rank 4 twilight dk tank 1500 rio s3 next to a rank 3 versa on hit chance dk 2500 rio s3

Who is going to get the invites to the next party/key push, imagining the basics of the game and tactics are followed by both? newby guy looks like a god and rank 2500 guy looks bang average.

Corruption is making worse players ALOT more powerful than they deserve to be, thats all my point is.

I have legit had to start adding people to global ignore due to failing s1 mechanics because rio system currently doesnt tell you jack shit thanks to the boost bad ppl are getting.

Its taken the boost rogues have been getting for 3 season and given it to anyone that is lucky basically

So rank 4 stars
That’s around 100 corruption
R3 breath and full cloak still leads to over 40

If you can take that then you aren’t terrible

My point with corruption vs TF is that TF had more drawbacks

Your example showed the 2500 dk with worse corruption had a higher score so I’d take that tank

In legion a legendary and the 4pc from antorus tripled my dps but didn’t make mechanics meaningless

Corruption is garbage but it’s an improvement and I wanna see the next step in the system

[Nachtigal]

can you fit more buzzwords in one post?
if anything the m+ communnity is far more cutthroat than the raiding scene, so I have no clue what you're talking about, unless you've never actually made it past 3k rating on any season so then you don't even know what you're talking about, because everyone is a butthole at those levels.
please find new words to describe things you don't like

You’re dumb and you should feel dumb, I don’t have any qualms with the game lol. Not sure what you’re rambling about but I manage to enjoy myself quite thoroughly no matter what content I put myself into.

[kek280]

You’re dumb and you should feel dumb, I don’t have any qualms with the game lol. Not sure what you’re rambling about but I manage to enjoy myself quite thoroughly no matter what content I put myself into.

you should feel dumb mr buzzword

[Tident]

So rank 4 stars
That’s around 100 corruption
R3 breath and full cloak still leads to over 40

If you can take that then you aren’t terrible

My point with corruption vs TF is that TF had more drawbacks

Your example showed the 2500 dk with worse corruption had a higher score so I’d take that tank

In legion a legendary and the 4pc from antorus tripled my dps but didn’t make mechanics meaningless

Corruption is garbage but it’s an improvement and I wanna see the next step in the system

I would argue it isnt a improvement and those kind of large gains in legion proved to powerful to be left to chance and were later made so power legendary items dropped first and utility last before being made purchasable .

In pvp especially 2s good corruptions can nearly guarantee a win and open up far more aggressive play styles people with corruption simply can't effectly play against.

I would argue grasping tendrils is one such example. A enemy player MUST take pressure off you to kill these or they will die if its stacked enough. Never mind how lethal infinite stars is on classes you can't effectively peel.

[Revamp Man]

I would argue it isnt a improvement and those kind of large gains in legion proved to powerful to be left to chance and were later made so power legendary items dropped first and utility last before being made purchasable .

In pvp especially 2s good corruptions can nearly guarantee a win and open up far more aggressive play styles people with corruption simply can't effectly play against.

I would argue grasping tendrils is one such example. A enemy player MUST take pressure off you to kill these or they will die if its stacked enough. Never mind how lethal infinite stars is on classes you can't effectively peel.

OK that’s for PVP and that is a drawback of the new system however in the old system it really was not fun to have useless gear sitting in your bags because you needed it because you needed to cover the item level requirement for trading gear which is my biggest gripe about the whole system

I would get a set of boots that was not useful for me someone in the Raid wanted them because they were useful for them I however could not trade them because they war forged

This happened with trinkets it happened with weapons it happened with everything ever since this system and the stupid item level lock was introduced last expansion this took a lot of control out of my hands when it came on how to gear my character or what I would do with the gear I had


This happened with trinkets it happened with weapons it happened with everything ever since this system and the stupid item level lock was introduced last expansion this took a lot of control out of my hands when it came on how to gear my character or what I would do with the gear I had

The biggest complaint that people have about corruption is that it is currently unbalanced and that is fine it is going to be unbalanced that’s why balance changes exist and it is especially going to be unbalanced in PVP because they don’t know how to make it work and they haven’t for over 15 years

The biggest complaint that people have about corruption is that it is currently unbalanced and that is fine it is going to be unbalanced that’s why balance changes exist and it is especially going to be unbalanced in PVP because they don’t know how to make it work and they haven’t for over 15 years


People argue that corruption makes the player because they get Carrie tired but if someone has a higher score even if they don’t have amazing corruption I’m going to bring them with me because they have the higher score therefore they have performed hire much like item level doesn’t mean shit corruption doesn’t mean shit and if people are placing all of their thoughts into how much value corruption has for other players then they belong in Ella far

[Tident]

OK that’s for PVP and that is a drawback of the new system however in the old system it really was not fun to have useless gear sitting in your bags because you needed it because you needed to cover the item level requirement for trading gear which is my biggest gripe about the whole system

I would get a set of boots that was not useful for me someone in the Raid wanted them because they were useful for them I however could not trade them because they war forged

This happened with trinkets it happened with weapons it happened with everything ever since this system and the stupid item level lock was introduced last expansion this took a lot of control out of my hands when it came on how to gear my character or what I would do with the gear I had


This happened with trinkets it happened with weapons it happened with everything ever since this system and the stupid item level lock was introduced last expansion this took a lot of control out of my hands when it came on how to gear my character or what I would do with the gear I had

The biggest complaint that people have about corruption is that it is currently unbalanced and that is fine it is going to be unbalanced that’s why balance changes exist and it is especially going to be unbalanced in PVP because they don’t know how to make it work and they haven’t for over 15 years

The biggest complaint that people have about corruption is that it is currently unbalanced and that is fine it is going to be unbalanced that’s why balance changes exist and it is especially going to be unbalanced in PVP because they don’t know how to make it work and they haven’t for over 15 years


People argue that corruption makes the player because they get Carrie tired but if someone has a higher score even if they don’t have amazing corruption I’m going to bring them with me because they have the higher score therefore they have performed hire much like item level doesn’t mean shit corruption doesn’t mean shit and if people are placing all of their thoughts into how much value corruption has for other players then they belong in Ella far

From what I gathered from all that you are annoyed that the average player blames corruption for their poor performance...

There not entirely wrong.. I only recently returned to the game so I am not currently raiding beyond pugs but having nearly ever dungeon done on a 15 or higher ( I can't seem to find a good kings rest group or get TD to pop) I can say with certainly that I noticed a massive difference between my outputs with good corruptions compared to bad ones. In one I was struggling to keep up and the other I comfortably fit in with the other dps.

It is the largest power upgrade left to chance since the mop do 20%+ more dmg trinkets.

[Revamp Man]

From what I gathered from all that you are annoyed that the average player blames corruption for their poor performance...

There not entirely wrong.. I only recently returned to the game so I am not currently raiding beyond pugs but having nearly ever dungeon done on a 15 or higher ( I can't seem to find a good kings rest group or get TD to pop) I can say with certainly that I noticed a massive difference between my outputs with good corruptions compared to bad ones. In one I was struggling to keep up and the other I comfortably fit in with the other dps.

It is the largest power upgrade left to chance since the mop do 20%+ more dmg trinkets.

OK I agree with you on this 100% agree the fact that corruption is so unbalanced and makes up for so much of peoples damage does feel bad and it is bad it is extremely unbalanced

What people are trying to say especially in this thread is that a good Corruption will carry you beyond what you are able to do which is 100% incorrect as I showed with the infinite stars comparison

Back in Pandaria People blamed trinkets for why they were not getting good logs in Legion it was class representation in dungeons for why they weren’t getting invited when in reality I think people just have a hard time excepting that you need to do it for yourself
people blamed trinkets for why they were not getting good logs in Legion it was class representation in dungeons for why they weren’t getting invited when in reality I think people just have a hard time excepting that you need to do it for yourself

It’s like in the beginning of an expansion there is a shortage of healers and tanks however I want to get that content done to prepare for Raid so even though I mean a DPS spec on my monk I’m going to heal or tank if it means getting it done