Ofc it's not the main concern. If a better actor that was blonde n had blue eyes, should he have the part of black panther n everyone around behaving blindly to it? It would have been weird n not had the impact it had for black people/audience. If you don't respect the viewers, why should they respect you?
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All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
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But I'm sure the laughable idea of being offended on behalf of the artist who supports these decisions has been covered to death in this thread already.
Not to defend him... but he was talking about Death being played by a black actress and not Lucifer being portrayed by a female.
I mean, it's a totally different kind of bigotry :P
The other guy was the one complaining about Lucifer
This guy is just the guy that called Neil Gaiman a liar.
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I don't see how you can argue the "cultural significance" of being goth as important seeing as even goths themselves don't express themselves like that their whole lives...cause, hint: it's not an immutable part of their identity.
Source: me. I was a goth. Now I'm a 40 year old lawyer who still listens to the music but puts on suits and no makeup. None of my goth friends still look goth, even if they still listen to the music. It's something you do for awhile, maybe even a long while....but I can honestly say I don't know any goths in their 40s who aren't being paid to look like that (AKA Marilyn Manson).
Are you telling me if this show came out in the 90s and you would honestly not be surprised at the casting choice, it's not what you expected nor does it seem to speak to you?? You would say, "yeah, that looks what I expected!"
I'd find it hard to believe, it's about an iconic look and for all the others on this page that argue about race, so, you might as well argue I'd be happy if Death turned out to look like Pippi Longstockings cuz she's white, as if that is all that matters, Death just happens to have that tone but there is more than just skin to her iconic look, anyone arguing different is being totally dishonest..
You might as well give Dream pink hair, manga hair/look n say, "I totally expected this from reading the comic, nothing wrong with this picture!"
If they had done that, n gaiman had said "I want to appeal to todays youth rather than yesterdays" that would be honest, but no, instead he doubles down n pretends this is what we should have been expecting n starts attacking the fans... that is the reaction of someone flustered caught in a lie..
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Except her appearance is the same except for the one point that she's black.
That's your entire issue. That a black actress was cast. You don't care how well she captures the character. You don't care about costuming. You just care that she's black. When the character herself is an ageless, raceless incarnation of a fundamental aspect of the universe. When we know that the Endless' appearance is mutable and often entirely dependent on the viewer. And that, specifically, canonically, dark skin is specifically an option they can present, appearance-wise.
Your position has nothing to do with the canon of the character, it's just that a black actress was cast and that's not white enough for you.
Edit: Again, here's her brother, Dream, on the left; the formatting of the speech bubble should make that clear even out of context:
That's not a different Dream, like what happened when Daniel became the new Dream; we canonically know that the old Morpheus had been Morpheus since the beginning of time, and Daniel was the first death-and-rebirth he went through. So that right there is the exact same incarnation as the one we're more-familiar with, from the same comic, from the same artists. The Endless aren't Caucasian humans. Insisting that they can only be cast as white actors is ignorant of Sandman canon and just pushing racist nonsense.
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Nobody is saying they can only appear one way, endus, we are talking about their most iconic looks, and it says a lot when death even though comic is about sandman, is the most recognizable n popular character, if you ask anyone, people will say sandman when you show picture of death didi, but dream...people might as well assume he's from the crow, or any number of other comics. Death stands out, that's like showing a picture of spiderman, not many would think he's wolverine.
You just keep repeating yourself, I assume you have the death absolute ed. book as well? want to argue what Death looks like the most in there? No? You can't base your whole arguments on "well! i found this one picture out of a gazillion where she hasn't that iconic look, so i got a point!" like, what??
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And your position on her "iconic look" starts and ends, for you, with the question "is she white enough?"
You don't care about her costuming.
You don't care about the actress' capability to express the character.
You don't care about the writing.
You care whether she's "white enough" for you.