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    Do you believe in the supernatural/otherworldly/etc?

    I don’t believe in ghosts or the supernatural because in the age of everything being captured and recorded, the verdict should be out already. And it is. No ghosts.

    Mod Warning: Keep discussion to ghosts and harmless topics, not religion.
    Last edited by Rozz; 2020-02-28 at 12:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I don’t believe in ghosts or the supernatural because in the age of everything being captured and recorded, the verdict should be out already. And it is. No ghosts.
    So because we've never captured or recorded something it doesn't exist? Then you also believe there is no life in the universe aside from us.
    Kom graun, oso na graun op. Kom folau, oso na gyon op.

    #IStandWithGinaCarano

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So because we've never captured or recorded something it doesn't exist?
    It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, because you can't prove a negative, but it is a good reason to be agnostic/skeptical.
    "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
    -Louis Brandeis

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So because we've never captured or recorded something it doesn't exist? Then you also believe there is no life in the universe aside from us.
    I believe there is other life in the universe, but it isn’t supernatural.

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    I believe it's arrogant and presumptuous for humans to think they've completely figured out the universe already, that applies to both the supernatural and unknown phenomenon. Anything metaphysical is by definition outside the realm of science.

    Then again, I think modern society is wrongly focused on scientism-based epistemology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I believe there is other life in the universe, but it isn’t supernatural.
    but you said you don't believe in the supernatural because we haven't captured or reecorded it. So by that logic you should believe that aliens don't exist because we haven't captured or recorded them. As a matter of fact you had aliens in your original post before you edited.
    Kom graun, oso na graun op. Kom folau, oso na gyon op.

    #IStandWithGinaCarano

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    but you said you don't believe in the supernatural because we haven't captured or reecorded it. So by that logic you should believe that aliens don't exist because we haven't captured or recorded them. As a matter of fact you had aliens in your original post before you edited.
    I’m saying the supposedly supernatural we have recorded is fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I’m saying the supposedly supernatural we have recorded is fake.
    so is the supposedly recorded aliens.
    Kom graun, oso na graun op. Kom folau, oso na gyon op.

    #IStandWithGinaCarano

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    so is the supposedly recorded aliens.
    Duh. /10chars

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    Yes.
    Humanity is barely conscious...hardly even self-aware most of the time.
    And too many of those selfsame people are full of arrogant presumption to believe that only what they can perceive through their limitations is reality. I believe reality is much more than that.

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    I wish supernatural stuff existed on Earth, but, sadly, I have seen no convincing evidence of it in my lifetime. However, I 100% believe there are aliens. The universe is just too darn big and there are unimaginable amounts of planets.

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    No, I do not. I'd love to be proved wrong, but so far nothing. I ain't the kind of person to believe because someone tells me I should. Be it in some god(s), or spirits in general.

    I find videos where they out "mediums" and shit hilarious.

    I 100% think it plausible that life exists in the Universe outside of this planet though. Not in the shape of Hollywood imaginations perhaps, but something.
    Last edited by Queen of Hamsters; 2020-02-27 at 11:50 PM.

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    No I don't.

    While we humans don't fully understand the universe (we've likely only scratched the surface), there's no evidence that anything supernatural exists. Nearly all phenomena is reproducible, meaning that there is some underlying principle behind it. Supernatural would not necessarily be reproducible. Furthermore, most events we used to attribute to a higher being/spirits/etc have been debunked as science progresses. There are still many unexplained things, but people across the world are working to understand them.

    While it is certainly possible that the supernatural exists, I personally don't believe so. Given enough time and effort, I think the universe can be boiled down into laws and principles without relying on the equivalent of magic. That said, if I was presented with evidence that could prove me wrong, I'd wrestle with it for a while, but if it was truly inscrutable, I'd accept it as reality. Then I'd be annoyed that magic and Pokemon don't exist when they totally could have.

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So it's not possible, in scientific terms, to say that the supernatural does not exist. The best we can do is continue building an understanding of the world around us and as more myths & supernatural things fall to scientific reasoning, we'll have a stronger and stronger case that there is nothing supernatural (but we'll never disprove it outright).

    As for aliens, they follow the same principles and laws that we do. Unless you consider life to be beyond extraordinarily unlikely, it's almost a certainty that aliens exist elsewhere. Within our own galaxy, there's an estimated 40 Billion earth-like planets. The Milky Way is not a particularly large or populous galaxy either. Hubble has viewed at estimated 2 Trillion galaxies so far. So if you just want to say we're average (we're not, we're below average), you could conservatively estimate 8 x 10^(22) Earth-like Planets in the known Universe. The idea that, out of all of those, one single planet produced life is almost laughable. This also ignores other planets unlike Earth which may be able to sustain other forms of life unknown to us.
    “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.”
    – C.S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    Anything metaphysical is by definition outside the realm of science.
    Then it is indistinguishable from not existing. A pretty useless brain teaser.

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    *shrugs*
    I've always been sure that there's whole worlds out there that humans in their limitations can never understand, let alone perceive.

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    Sure, I think there's a spiritual side. I think we have spirits, that our bodies are simply vessels for our spirit. I have a lot more to say on the subject but it touches on religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    Sure, I think there's a spiritual side. I think we have spirits, that our bodies are simply vessels for our spirit. I have a lot more to say on the subject but it touches on religion.
    I've often suspected...felt that there's a lot more than just two sides of the issue.
    I just think that some things aren't about using science, or even religion, to understand reality.

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    I kinda do , I'm very entertained by ghost hunting videos. My favorite channel on youtube as of late is 'The haunted side' https://www.youtube.com/user/thehauntedside/videos

    relatively new but the videos they make are well produced. Also thrilled each week for 'Nuke's top 5' new videos but not all of the clips he proposes are believable (still the best top 5 supernatural content creator , there are others who are just lazy and boring.. nuke finds always interesting clips)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I've often suspected...felt that there's a lot more than just two sides of the issue.
    I just think that some things aren't about using science, or even religion, to understand reality.
    In my view, it's just something you can't quantify or study, so people don't try. We try to use what we can quantify or study to learn about our world. Gives us a lot of answers and hooray for that, but in some areas we're trying to put a puzzle together with only half the pieces.

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    This... I can't really say for sure what my opinion is.

    I did once as child see a ghost. And not just any flash of light or weird shadow. It was a full body apparition in middle of a day. It had clear human shape, woman, clothes were very old style, but lacking any features such as face, transparent, white. Just standing there at the end of a corridor at a hotel we were staying at denmark. I dont know what it was. Perhaps it was just a extremely detailed halucination.

    At any rate, ever since I have been very interested in ghost related stuff. These days I like watching videos on the internet about ghosts. I make it my personal quest to try determining which ones are clear fakes and how. It is pretty easy. Is there a motivation to create fake video? Where was it recorded? Who recorded it. What it recorded.

    I have seen a few I can't directly dismiss. Perhaps they are just really good fakes.

    Most of the videos on internet have been recorded with a potato or by drunk teen. Or both. And the teen screams and hollers, runs and shakes the camera all over instead of trying to record whatever they claim to have seen. Its difficult to find any good material and most can be directly dismissed as clear fakes.

    Science doesnt really leave any room for any other interpretation than that ghosts are just halucinations, ect.

    I dont really care these days whether its true or not. I watch these things for entertainment and some form of curious interest.

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