US signs peace deal with the Taliban.

[zealo]

You dodged my question of how you would solve the afganistan problem, by basically saying Im morally flawed. Thats fucking lazy.
Afganistan isnt the ME also...

The reality on the ground is America wants out. The taliban control most of the country as a shadow government, and Afgan government only really exists inside the green zone. Whats the game plan here if you cant deal with the taliban?

There is no other realistic option besides backstabbing the Afghan government if the US does not intend to stay there in perpetuity.

Afghanistan has been in a perpetual state of war since 1978 at this point, with decades more ahead of it once the Taliban topples the government.

[Spectral]

Even people who want out of Middle East wars won't negotiate with the terrorists who started it to leave. The price is too high. Well, too high for me, at least. Some people seem okay with negotiating with terrorists.

Personally, I've found it pretty disorienting to wake up and find that Bush-era neocon orthodoxy had become the Very Serious Position among people that used to be against wars.

[jonnysensible]

Even people who want out of Middle East wars won't negotiate with the terrorists who started it to leave. The price is too high. Well, too high for me, at least. Some people seem okay with negotiating with terrorists.

Who were the terrorists who started the Middle East wars? lol cmon man.

The US has negotiated with the Taliban plenty of times pre 9/11 and post 9/11. You are talking without any nuance, its this with us or against us shit.

[Breccia]

The US has negotiated with the Taliban plenty of times pre 9/11 and post 9/11.

1) Pre-9/11 they hadn't hidden bin Laden from us yet. Nor had they threatened or killed people for voting for a government that admittedly we implanted. This is a horrible argument.

2) Find literally time W or Obama negotiated with the Taliban which is even remotely comparable to this.



You'll notice the Afghani government isn't present. Nor did we consult them, as objectively evidenced by the 5,000 prisoner agreement that wasn't an agreement.

[Breccia]

A top US general says:

The Taliban need to keep their part of the bargain.

They are continuing attacks. Those attacks are relatively low in scale. They are not directed against coalition forces. They are not occurring in city centers. They are occurring at isolated checkpoints. But those attacks are occurring, and they are not consistent with a movement toward a negotiated settlement, and they are not consistent with the undertaking they made

[Edge-]

A top US general says:

So...

The US made a deal with the Taliban, without the Afghan governments involvement, that's basically a sweetheart deal for the Taliban, fucks the Afghan government, and gives the US nothing other than an "out".

The Taliban starts violating that deal within 24 hours.

They continue violating that deal.

US troops are being pulled out as we're holding up our end of the "deal" while abandoning our Afghan allies.

Everything is going fine and there is nothing to see here.

[D Luniz]

Couldn't you just withdraw without "negotiating" a deal? I mean if the point is simply to leave, just do that. Why release prisoners?

while no admin wants to be one that "lost a war"
this admin is obsessed with ratings, so a shit deal where they can say "we both shook hands and neither left a loser" is fine with them

hence the shit deal where they offer to give things belonging to other people without their agreement

[Breccia]

The Afghani government has offered to release 100 prisoners at a time as a show of good faith.

The Taliban rejected it.

They want their entire list released before continuing talks.

[Easo]

The Afghani government has offered to release 100 prisoners at a time as a show of good faith.

The Taliban rejected it.

They want their entire list released before continuing talks.

Even Talibs have to understand that it is a ridiculous demand. Or they are so sure that USA will actually leave that they dont care anymore.

[Breccia]

Even Talibs have to understand that it is a ridiculous demand.

It wasn't.

Go back to the point in time where Trump gave NK favors, such as posing for pictures and canceling war exercises, in exchange for...nothing.

NK knew Trump wanted a bigly win and could be strung along.

NK was correct.

The Taliban are not stupid. They know full well Trump was their easiest target to manipulate for a while. Remember, they got invited to picnic on the White House lawn.

If it worked, they got 5,000 reinforcements, after which they would do whatever they wanted anyhow.

If it failed, they were no worse off. Trump would either have to re-invade, or surrender.

There was no harm in asking. In fact, it would have been remiss of them not to explore that move at all. No, it was not ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to charge higher for a 6pack of toilet paper if you know someone will buy it. And then you're ready to deal with a real piece of shit.

[Easo]

It wasn't.......

Right, I forgot that this shit works with Trump. Ready to sign anything, as long as it gives publicity.