Socialism has already been redefined, I'm simply going by the current usage of the word. Otherwise, there's basically no socialists, so the question is moot. Considering Bernie Sanders, and even the entire Democratic Party are called socialists, I'm simply using it in the current form. If we want to say that socialism is the government completely dominating the marketplace, and controlling all means of production, then fine. That just means socialists number in the dozens. We can then agree that Bernie Sanders, the Democrats, and all the governments in Europe are not socialist.
Or, we can say that socialism is about as common as live pink unicorns.
Last edited by Machismo; 2020-03-02 at 07:01 PM.
This thread is more or less better suited in Politics considering the nature of current discussion. On that note, tone it down a bit and remember to stay civil.
Moderator of the General Off-Topic, Politics, Lore, and RP Forums
"If you have any concerns, let me know via PM. I'll do my best to assist you."
Democratic Socialist Convention : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o
Nationalism for sure.
We seen what socialisme has brought to countries all over the world and it is not a good thing.
The Nazis weren't actually socialist. https://www.britannica.com/story/wer...zis-socialists
They were "socialist" in the sense that North Korea is "democratic". They stuck it in their name as, essentially, a form of propaganda and a disguise to hide their intent. You'd have to unthinkingly believe Nazi propaganda to think the Nazis were actually socialist in any practical sense of the word.
As if comparing what Americans and Europeans consider socialism to communism, Marxism, or the straight up fascism of Nazi Germany and Italy has anything in common.
- - - Updated - - -
So it seems the guy who had niazi symbolism as an avatar, who routinely shows he knows nothing of substance when it comes to American politics, doesn't even know what the Nazi party actually was. Motherfucking shocker!
- - - Updated - - -
Counter that with the socialism in western Europe which works just well. So which is it?
Thanks for this thread . So many of the nazi-adjacent posters just cant help outing themselves. Been awhile since we had one of these. Usually it's some Neo-Nazi rally or Neo-Confederate shindig that brings them out.
A parallel is how the gamergaters also cant help outing themselves. In one thread everyone is agreeing about healthcare, or stopping trump. Then it turns into a dog-pile on SJWs or Vegans for somehow ruining the expansion of Socialist Parties in the US.
It's been 5 long years, but the gators and friends-of-nazis are still here. MagicFind.com sure curates an interesting community.
Government Affiliated Snark
Maybe you can think that if you ignore their socialist policies :
expansion of welfare
universal healthcare
nationalisation of industries
leisure for workers
creating labour organization
Obviously today socialists dont want to be linked to previous socialists.
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism...m-totalitarian
Democratic Socialist Convention : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o
Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive. The opposite of nationalism is globalism, and the other end of socialism is capitalism. It's entirely possible to believe in extreme nationalism and socialism, or extreme nationalism and capitalism (both of which are responsible for the worst of government the world has ever seen). You all need to stop treating all politics like everything is a big line from left to right, the world isn't one dimensional.
Every single nation on earth is a mixed economy to try and label them as purely one or another is very wrong and misleading with the aim of nothing but to cause fear porn. Should Capitalism be regulated to a point that it does not create kings? Absolutely but the current set of capitalism backers are not interested in that at all which why i think that we have such large swaths of dissent in the western world.
Keep capitalism, expand the floor and lower the ceiling and keep the wheels turning. Nationalism is a cancer that breeds a war like mentality that needs to die as a Muslim who is hated for no reason and as a ex-pat.
What are you talking about we got Capitalism and Nationalism structure in western Europe (it is just now Nationalism inside the EU borders)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
And non of these countries i would like to live in and i wonder why...
Last edited by tromage2; 2020-03-02 at 08:11 PM.
If that's your definition, then literally every single developed nation on the planet is "socialist", and it's that socialism that is what has led to the prosperity of the modern era.
Are you sure that's the argument you want to be making, here?
Plus, let's acknowledge that your source is an anarcho-capitalist think tank, and the author is a Randian objectivist; you're citing an extremist who's misrepresenting what socialist theory actually is.
Depends on the nation you're talking about. Canada went through a big push to pay down our national debt, and did, for years, back in the '90s. We still have debt, but it's a mangeable amount, and paying it down was broadly popular as a political move, too.
In our case, it's absolutely been sustainable, and we're still well within our capabilities to pay it down while maintaining services.