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[TickTickTick]

This is the opposite of the canon lore for Warcraft.

All alliance races bow and kneel to their king. The alliance is a fascist system of government.

The Horde is a collection of federated states. They elect a leader, and anyone can challenge that leader at any time, for any reason. They don't bow, kneel or grovel to a warchief.

Point me to the canon lore of Warcraft then, because according to Metzen:

https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/260159705844957184

“@Zerde3
: @ChrisMetzen
Is the position of "high king" like the supreme commander position of Lothar?

Yes. About army focus, not control.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/409522697140727808

@jesse_redhall
yes. If other leaders don't like his calls, they don't commit forces. They give him deference in overall strategic command.

Or Kosak:

https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/260962040292720641

For those asking about King Wrynn's role, "Supreme Allied Commander" sounds about right. Coordinating the military. Figurehead/inspiration.

It's only about the army, which is basically the role of Supreme Commander.

Looking at the High King definition on wowpedia:

The role is not about faction-wide political control, but something related to military control similar to Anduin Lothar's former position as Supreme Allied Commander. The High King only has control over the forces given to him, and leaders who don't like his calls can choose not to commit their forces.

It doesn't really sound like a king - subjects relationship, and it's completely opposite of Warchief - the Horde relationship, which is unquestioning obedience. I don't even know where did you get the part about the warchief. The warchief is THE leader of all who belong to the Horde. That's why everyone obeyed Sylvanas, even if they didn't like it. That's why Saurfang was deemed a traitor. That's why Garrosh could simply forbid the usage of plague by Sylvanas (that she did is another story).

He is a king to other races same way as the Queen of England is a queen to you (if you're not english), but she's not YOUR queen.

But yeah, if you can provide something that can disprove what Blizz devs have to say about this, go ahead and do.

[Vilendor]

Fuck it. The in game story telling was so horrible in BFA they don't deserve a penny for outsourcing the lore into books, especially in a monthly subscription fee game. Everyone should just pirate it and send a message.

[Josyel]

"They empower the young troll shaman Zekhan"

Oh boy, jokes/memes characters getting plot story while faction leaders and war heroes are gathering dust

[Ealyssa]

Imagine reading books in 2020

We learnt to read before your era kido, we fine.

[Allstarme]

"They empower the young troll shaman Zekhan"

Oh boy, jokes/memes characters getting plot story while faction leaders and war heroes are gathering dust

I got distracted by immediately reading the preview. Now I’m thinking...meanwhile Tyrande does?

[Orby]

Ah yes, it's that time again, where you get to pay extra to access important story elements that should be in-game...

Blizzard have been making books based around the game since 2001. You are aware of that?

Day of the Dragon, Lord of the Clans, The Last Guardian all came out between Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3.

Cycle of Hatred and War of the Ancients came out between Warcraft 3 and WoW

Plus there were more WoW books, comics, and short stories released areound Vanilla to MoP than any other expansion

Novels
Rise of the Horde
Tides of Darkness
Beyond the Dark Portal
Night of the Dragon
Arthas: Rise of the Lich King
Stormrage
The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm
Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects
Wolfheart
Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War
Dawn of the Aspects
Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde

Comic Series
World of WArcraft Vol 1, 2, 3, 4
Ashbringer
Bloodsworn
Dark Riders
Curse of the Worgen
Pearl of Pandaria

Manga
The Sunwell Trilogy
Warcraft Legends 1
Warcraft Legends 2
Warcraft Legends 3
Warcraft Legends 4
Warcraft Legends 5
Deathknight
Mage
Shaman

And don;t get me started on the webstores, all found on Blizzard WoW site.

Now all of a sudden its gotten to one book per expansion and NOW people are crying that this should be in game?

[Powerogue]

Damn that's some good Anduin writing. It's really remarkable how much he's grown.

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Calling it now Turalyon ends up dead.

With the couple sentences mentioning how his akin to a rockstar that's Blizzard's half assed attempt at "honoring" of the character like they did with their half assed attempts of "fist bump" moments.

I don't think that's it at all. It's more like clarifying for people who only vaguely know Turalyon as "I think he was important in that last Legion patch? I didn't play Legion though."

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"They empower the young troll shaman Zekhan"

Oh boy, jokes/memes characters getting plot story while faction leaders and war heroes are gathering dust

He was never made to be a joke/meme character blizzard already stated that he had a planned story use before the community picked up on him at all.

[bullseyed]

The warchief is THE leader of all who belong to the Horde. That's why everyone obeyed Sylvanas, even if they didn't like it. That's why Saurfang was deemed a traitor. That's why Garrosh could simply forbid the usage of plague by Sylvanas (that she did is another story).

Right, which is why Sylvanas didn't use the plague ever, and the Wrathgate didn't happen.

And also why there was no rebellion against Sylvanas and Garrosh, both are still warchief today. And also why Vol'jin never led the Horde after leading a rebellion. List goes on and on.

Meanwhile Tyrande has been turned into an avatar of a goddess and still has to bow to Anduin and obey his orders.

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"They empower the young troll shaman Zekhan"

Oh boy, jokes/memes characters getting plot story while faction leaders and war heroes are gathering dust

Also, make sure to remember that Bwon tricked Talanji's father, got him killed, and cursed her bloodline for all eternity. Talanji HATES Bwon and would not prevent his assassination.

[Maljinwo]

I understand some people see Zekhan as a meme character and having him getting protagonism may annoy them. But how many new and young characters do we have?
Most of Azeroth's heroes are old or already did their thing. Guess it's time for a new generation already

That said, I'd rather have them develop Rokhan who has been thrust from "oh yeah, that guy from wc3" into Darkspear Chieftain, but Zekhan isn't a bad choice.


Hell, Saurfang started as out as a meme character due to the mind control bug and he became his own character. Zekhan was at least planned beforehand

[bullseyed]

I understand some people see Zekhan as a meme character and having him getting protagonism may annoy them. But how many new and young characters do we have?
Most of Azeroth's heroes are old or already did their thing. Guess it's time for a new generation already

That said, I'd rather have them develop Rokhan who has been thrust from "oh yeah, that guy from wc3" into Darkspear Chieftain, but Zekhan isn't a bad choice.

Rokhan was slated for that role until memes took over.

He likely was going to wed Talanji and unite the clans. Then the trolls could have a proper capital city again, given a place in Zuldazar.

[Maljinwo]

Rokhan was slated for that role until memes took over.

He likely was going to wed Talanji and unite the clans. Then the trolls could have a proper capital city again, given a place in Zuldazar.

I've been shipping Rokhan and Talanji since BfA started... But I guess it's not meant to be

[Ardenaso]

I do seriously hope for the nth time that certain characters get a crumb of relevance again, like Nazgrel, Arechron, Akama, Vereesa, Jorin, Leoroxx, Drek'thar, Auric, Koltira, Thassarian, etc.

[qwerty123456]

Damn that's some good Anduin writing. It's really remarkable how much he's grown.

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I don't think that's it at all. It's more like clarifying for people who only vaguely know Turalyon as "I think he was important in that last Legion patch? I didn't play Legion though."

Well they also gave him Varian's position of leading the Alliance military and Lothar also had the job and died as well.

[TickTickTick]

Right, which is why Sylvanas didn't use the plague ever, and the Wrathgate didn't happen.

And also why there was no rebellion against Sylvanas and Garrosh, both are still warchief today. And also why Vol'jin never led the Horde after leading a rebellion. List goes on and on.

Meanwhile Tyrande has been turned into an avatar of a goddess and still has to bow to Anduin and obey his orders.

Are we even playing the same game? xD

1. She did use it, and as I said, the fact that she used it is another story (her not being obedient). It doesn't change the fact she was supposed to obey. If she wasn't, Garrosh wouldnt have given such command in the first place. Wrathgate was in Wotlk - correct me if I'm wrong, but Garrosh wasn't the warchief yet.
2. The fact there had to be rebelion backs my statement. If it was like you said, there wouldn't be a need for rebelion, cause the others could just leave or not obey the warchief. Like... are you actually trolling? Would be the only explaination.
3. Tyrande on the other hand, decided for herself to go fight for Darkshore and she was allowed to do that. Genn decided for himself that he will support Tyrande in that and he was allowed to do that. Then Tyrande refused to celebrate the "truce" between the Alliance and the Horde and just left - and she was allowed to do so.

[Mehrunes]

So Anduin gave Turalyon what is effectively his job. Nice. And dafuq is Genn smoking saying he can't think of anyone whose aim would rival the Dark Rangers? Undeath didn't give them +5 to aim, they were already stellar archers when alive. Maybe he has onset Alzheimer.

its called hating on anything wow related even when nothing is there because iz wat dem kewl kidz do deez dayz

Except Sylvanas' motivations in BtS already conflicted with her motivations in A Good War which was also released prior to BfA. Then everything she has done in the expansion clashed with her motivations in either of the above more and more until the end of the faction war storyline (and Blizzcon material) happened and threw those motivations into the garbage. Also, Illidan and Before the Storm retconned a boatload of prior lore as well. War Crimes and Tides of War also had some inconsistencies. It's almost as if Blizzard had terrible track record when it comes to writing - starting with their consistency - and wasn't simply a victim of victimization by "kewl kidz". Shocking theory for sure, but it's up there.

If you think having a character be incongruent from book to gams is a new thing I don’t really know what to say you clearly weren’t paying attention to the whole flip floating jiana problem of tides of war and war crimes.

Nothing meaningful has changed from when those books were released to now.

Right. Because the entire motivation of one of the key characters that drive the story forward right now is nothing meaningful indeed. Also, it took you one reply from @Magical Mudcrab to move your goalposts from "those books haven't been retconned within an expansion" to "nothing meaningful (which given the above, is so vague and arbitrary to the point of meaninglessness; and likely by design) has changed".

I understand some people see Zekhan as a meme character and having him getting protagonism may annoy them. But how many new and young characters do we have?

We have four different Darkspears that acted in a representative manner in regards to their tribe and they are all underdeveloped as fuck despite being actually important to their people. Meanwhile Zekhan is turned into a hero because he followed Saurfang around like a dog.

Hell, Saurfang started as out as a meme character due to the mind control bug and he became his own character. Zekhan was at least planned beforehand

And what a stellar character he was.

Right, which is why Sylvanas didn't use the plague ever, and the Wrathgate didn't happen.

And also why there was no rebellion against Sylvanas and Garrosh, both are still warchief today. And also why Vol'jin never led the Horde after leading a rebellion. List goes on and on.

People having the capacity to rebel is in no way an argument against the scope of a ruler's authority. People can rebel in the Alliance too. And Garrosh wasn't Warchief during WotLK...

He was never made to be a joke/meme character blizzard already stated that he had a planned story use before the community picked up on him at all.

Except the community picked up on him and turned him into a meme months before Blizzard and their planned story for Zekhan even gave him a name.

[Angelpunk18]

People complaining about having to pay to see a story that should be in game is kind of silly... I mean, It'd be better if it was in game, but most of the people never read a single quest or a single dialog... also complaining about it is kinda silly because it will most likely be like BfA where in Before the Storm, they only briefly touch the azerite and the book centers a lot more on the forsaken-human meeting that takes place.

The real events that started the whole faction war was something that was explained on a free story published by blizzard on their website

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right. Because the entire motivation of one of the key characters that drive the story forward right now is nothing meaningful indeed. Also, it took you one reply from @Magical Mudcrab to move your goalposts from "those books haven't been retconned within an expansion" to "nothing meaningful (which given the above, is so vague and arbitrary to the point of meaninglessness; and likely by design) has changed"

You Really don’t know what moving a goal post means do you? Mud crab didn’t bring up any actual retcons, sylvanas’s motivation changing Or not matching up isn’t a retcon to any thing in BTS as characters aren’t set in stone and they can and do have changes in Mind, plans, ect. So mudcrab brought up something unrelated to my original point and I addressed it that’s in no way shape or form moving away from my original X expan didn’t retcon Y book goal post.

As to the meaningful part that’s just another case of you making stuff up instead of going off the actual post. Mud crab supposed that something had changed with blizzard saying that chronicles was from the titans perspective and that sylvanas had changes in motivation. I pointed out that characters having changes in motivation has been a thing since tides of war/war crimes with jiana flip flopping between angry and not, the lack of meaningful change is in regard to character changing stances/motivations from one showing to another it had nothing to do with retcon as you don’t have to retcon any thing to have a character have conflicting emotions or have trouble settling on what they want to hold to.

Any way if you want to point out any actual retcons I’ll happily concede the point about there being none or you can waffle on about moving goal post even though you don’t know what it actual entails if you want.

Except the community picked up on him and turned him into a meme months before Blizzard and their planned story for Zekhan even gave him a name.

Old solider was in the works before the community ever saw him Mabye you believe that they made him his own model(cgi) got a voice actor and put him in to be a one off but I’m not buying that bridge.

[Pabloko]

LoL this is trash XD

[LordVargK]

*raises hand* -all the time. -Hopefully this time they will actually be delivered on time.

People who loves reading and likes this kind of stuff, like me for example, I don't see the problem of liking this

Sure, I like reading too. But why the preorder? I mean unlike with videogames, you have no benefits by preordering a book over just buying it when it's out.