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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    It aint forced, plus its not realyl a grind if it just comes from the stuff you do normaly..
    Isn't that the big issue with 8.3 anyways, that most of the players aren't bothering to do anything with their alts..

  2. #282
    It was very happy news and will allow me to play my alts without too much hassle.

  3. #283
    There still needs to be catchup on mains for this stuff if you’re just starting.

    If you’re a new player the starting experience is a total clusterfuck right now, you have to do the cloak essences and all the unlock quests.

    You get raid ready gear super fast but then all the systems (essences, cloak, ap) are behind. Ap isn’t a big deal and neither is the cloak, but doing essences as well is just overkill. The whole system needs to be nerfed, it just sucks.

    As a new character it appears that essences could take a (time gated) month to get, and you’re just a second class toon that whole time with nothing you can do about it.
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    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Because I didn't bother to check fist, I only remembered it was somewhere around the middle of NH raid. It took me 8 months not 7. 27 days is not closer to zero month than it is to full month.

    Nevertheless I always said truth. Then I actually checked.

    Like I said, you lied and did not provide any proof. So far my story is 100x more credible than yours.
    Sure you might be doing more M+ but I did at least twice the amount of raid bosses you did.
    I don't really need to get my story in Legion fact checked by someone who says he is in a top 1000 guild for a few years when he obviously bought his CE's in Legion. Let's hurry to buy it the week before 8.0 lmao(Antorus Boost S1E2 LOL) Then you lie about it on forums for a couple of years. Yeah, very coherent for sure. And 800 isn't much lol, that's 10 bosses each week during Legion. It's about the minimal effort, at least as a top 1000 "mythic" raider. Yeah, muchos effort haha. So much for proof.


    I did Xavius 84 times btw, so in EN alone on a character I had as main for half the expansion I had around 580 kills. Add Nighthold, ToS and Antorus I think we can say around 1500 boss kills. In BfA according to our spreadsheet I have only around 500 raid-kills. Just sad to see how bad BfA is compared to Legion.
    MM was absolute garbage in legion. Worst iteration ever, best was in WoD HFC, worst was legion, BfA is just mediocre but still better than that abomination in legion with sidewinders. God I hated that spell so much, I hated that tier set that made you 8s turret.
    Sidewinders wasn't used after the initial launch. It wasn’t an option pretty much most of Legion. So you then did something wrong. You are the author of the rotation addon right? It's just silly at this point. And it must be so much better and fun now since it's the 3rd to last played spec while being top 10 for most of Legion. (EP had 2600 parses, ToS 27000 and the trend is the same in Ny'Alotha vs Antorus)It's almost like you can't believe what you are saying yourself. Once again your opinion doesn't check with the population.

    And it still doesn't absolutely change a fact that farming so much just to get one item is completely retarded and blizzard apologized for that.
    Where did they apologize for that?

    Anyways, not gonna discuss more with a liar.
    Horde bad, smash monkey. Who is a good monkey? You are!

    Let loot be loot.

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I don't really need to get my story in Legion fact checked by someone who says he is in a top 1000 guild for a few years when he obviously bought his CE's in Legion. Let's hurry to buy it the week before 8.0 lmao(Antorus Boost S1E2 LOL) Then you lie about it on forums for a couple of years. Yeah, very coherent for sure. And 800 isn't much lol, that's 10 bosses each week during Legion. It's about the minimal effort, at least as a top 1000 "mythic" raider. Yeah, muchos effort haha. So much for proof.
    Yeah for argus, i was with friends guild at this run, with their alts, didn't really say otherwise since at this point in legion i simply mentally quit.
    Nevertheless I never said anything about anthorus. It is you who is moving goalposts. Or you suggest being at first kill for previous tiers were also boosts? Or killing them multiple times.

    https://i.imgur.com/gRq4yKH.png
    https://i.imgur.com/yIOELpq.png
    I wasn't at first kill of xavuis tho, i joined them at 4th kill because of some family issues.

    It absolutely doesn't add anything to this discussion and you are trying to move goalpost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I did Xavius 84 times btw, so in EN alone on a character I had as main for half the expansion I had around 580 kills. Add Nighthold, ToS and Antorus I think we can say around 1500 boss kills. In BfA according to our spreadsheet I have only around 500 raid-kills. Just sad to see how bad BfA is compared to Legion.
    So you were lying. Glad we got that sorted out. You were farming like crazy, and it actually shows exactly the opposite, how shit legion was compared to any expansion in entire wow history. You weren't lucky, you farmed like a madman on drugs. Not because you enjoyed killing bosses over and over again on LFR/normal/Heroic/Mythic over and over again but because you had to to get those shitty legendaries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Sidewinders wasn't used after the initial launch. It wasn’t an option pretty much most of Legion. So you then did something wrong. You are the author of the rotation addon right? It's just silly at this point. And it must be so much better and fun now since it's the 3rd to last played spec while being top 10 for most of Legion. (EP had 2600 parses, ToS 27000 and the trend is the same in Ny'Alotha vs Antorus)It's almost like you can't believe what you are saying yourself. Once again your opinion doesn't check with the population.


    Where did they apologize for that?

    Anyways, not gonna discuss more with a liar.
    Oh so many lies.

    EN - Sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    NH - Piercing/TS - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    Piecing shot was garbage too
    ToV - Sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    ToS - Mostly TS but last boss first parse was sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    And even on Antorus people used SW on some bosses - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship

    So you are lying again.
    I fully believe what I say because I played all specs and hated it with passion. Unfortunately switching alt in legion was fools errand.

    So unless you stop lying I have also nothing to discuss with you. I maked lies in your post.

    And yes blizzard apologized for legiondaries and deeply regretted them.

  6. #286
    Unless I've missed it...I think it's super shady they're not telling us how much of this new currency we need to farm to purchase each rank 3 essence. My guess is it'll cost a lot and just be trading one grind for another.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Yeah for argus, i was with friends guild at this run, with their alts, didn't really say otherwise since at this point in legion i simply mentally quit.
    Nevertheless I never said anything about anthorus. It is you who is moving goalposts. Or you suggest being at first kill for previous tiers were also boosts? Or killing them multiple times.

    https://i.imgur.com/gRq4yKH.png
    https://i.imgur.com/yIOELpq.png
    I wasn't at first kill of xavuis tho, i joined them at 4th kill because of some family issues.

    It absolutely doesn't add anything to this discussion and you are trying to move goalpost.



    So you were lying. Glad we got that sorted out. You were farming like crazy, and it actually shows exactly the opposite, how shit legion was compared to any expansion in entire wow history. You weren't lucky, you farmed like a madman on drugs. Not because you enjoyed killing bosses over and over again on LFR/normal/Heroic/Mythic over and over again but because you had to to get those shitty legendaries.



    Oh so many lies.

    EN - Sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    NH - Piercing/TS - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    Piecing shot was garbage too
    ToV - Sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    ToS - Mostly TS but last boss first parse was sidewinders - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship
    And even on Antorus people used SW on some bosses - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...c=Marksmanship

    So you are lying again.
    I fully believe what I say because I played all specs and hated it with passion. Unfortunately switching alt in legion was fools errand.

    So unless you stop lying I have also nothing to discuss with you. I maked lies in your post.

    And yes blizzard apologized for legiondaries and deeply regretted them.
    Do you have any proof for Legion being shit?

    Do you have any proof for Blizzard being sorry for leggos? They were sorry for how they implemented them and that is why we will be able to target which one we want.

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Do you have any proof for Legion being shit?

    Do you have any proof for Blizzard being sorry for leggos? They were sorry for how they implemented them and that is why we will be able to target which one we want.
    No, just see how he tries to spin his idea for sidewinders being so good when it wasn't used after Emerald Nightmare/ToV(yeah, thats what inital means, first raids) if you wanted best dps. He then proceeds to show logs that not only shows he is wrong, he also lies about it lmao. He finds one parse among thousands that shows his "proof" of sidewinders being used in Nightold/ToS. I said it wasn't used after the initial launch, which was EN/TV then says I am lying about it. If it's used by 1 of 100 it doesn't mean it's the best one. Logic 101. And he was of course in a "friends" guild where he got boosted. And he has been saying for a couple of years that he has been in a top 1000 guild for the last years, when the fact is that he has bought two boosts in Legion.

    And he is the author for a rotation addon and has average 45.50% parses, I feel sorry for those who gets his addon. He loves 1 spec so much he is blind to whatever else is wrong with BfA. It's just a string of nonsense. Just nod and smile.

    "Throughout the expansion though, they're been reducing the gap between large RNG outliers such as legendaries. Ion thinks that the drop chance may not be the issue if Legendaries were all utility."
    This was Ions apology, if you could say it is an apology. That we are getting a legendary where we can target stuff in Shadowlands just says that they thought legendaries were cool, and Ion said it as well, "getting a legendary is exciting". If people thought legendaries were bad then we wouldn't have gotten this in Shadowlands. They took the bad stuff out and doubled up on the good stuff, that Legendaries were great for gameplay.
    Last edited by Doffen; 2020-03-16 at 06:39 PM. Reason: leggos
    Horde bad, smash monkey. Who is a good monkey? You are!

    Let loot be loot.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    No, just see how he tries to spin his idea for sidewinders being so good when it wasn't used after Emerald Nightmare/ToV(yeah, thats what inital means, first raids) if you wanted best dps. He then proceeds to show logs that not only shows he is wrong, he also lies about it lmao. He finds one parse among thousands that shows his "proof" of sidewinders being used in Nightold/ToS. I said it wasn't used after the initial launch, which was EN/TV then says I am lying about it. If it's used by 1 of 100 it doesn't mean it's the best one. Logic 101. And he was of course in a "friends" guild where he got boosted. And he has been saying for a couple of years that he has been in a top 1000 guild for the last years, when the fact is that he has bought two boosts in Legion.

    And he is the author for a rotation addon and has average 45.50% parses, I feel sorry for those who gets his addon. He loves 1 spec so much he is blind to whatever else is wrong with BfA. It's just a string of nonsense. Just nod and smile.
    I only see some ADHD people using addons like heikili to help with rotation so they keep focus on their game and mesmerize stuff. Even tho i too have ADHD for some reason i never found this hard. I don't know besides those problems of not following well their focus, why people would use an addon to follow rotations (not judging anyone, but still), rotations are not all like it's a dummy, in fights you need to pay attention sometimes more on mechanics and your parses can go low, because you're saving cds, and happens for you, idk, to die, (yep many times people don't even do good parses cause they die all the time), or you just simply have some unfortunate time to do it and mechanics happen again... so a advice to all that doesn't have focusing problems: Don't EVER use rotation addons, what you do with my advice is up to you now.

    And Doffen, i don't want to put my nose on this conversation, but why assuming he payed boosts?
    Also, fml, Legion leggos, were the best, i will say it again, and again, and again. People will keep arguing with me, i will keep my own thoughts. It was freaking amazing, people could even change talents what they wanted, or even, specs. The only problem with specs, was the secondary stats, and that isn't problem of just the leggos, you could even have all leggos you want but secondary stats mattered so much for the synergy (and still does, a bit, but doesn't even compete with the corruption abilities, unfortunately)

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    I only see some ADHD people using addons like heikili to help with rotation so they keep focus on their game and mesmerize stuff. Even tho i too have ADHD for some reason i never found this hard. I don't know besides those problems of not following well their focus, why people would use an addon to follow rotations (not judging anyone, but still), rotations are not all like it's a dummy, in fights you need to pay attention sometimes more on mechanics and your parses can go low, because you're saving cds, and happens for you, idk, to die, (yep many times people don't even do good parses cause they die all the time), or you just simply have some unfortunate time to do it and mechanics happen again... so a advice to all that doesn't have focusing problems: Don't EVER use rotation addons, what you do with my advice is up to you now.

    And Doffen, i don't want to put my nose on this conversation, but why assuming he payed boosts?
    Also, fml, Legion leggos, were the best, i will say it again, and again, and again. People will keep arguing with me, i will keep my own thoughts. It was freaking amazing, people could even change talents what they wanted, or even, specs. The only problem with specs, was the secondary stats, and that isn't problem of just the leggos, you could even have all leggos you want but secondary stats mattered so much for the synergy (and still does, a bit, but doesn't even compete with the corruption abilities, unfortunately)

    This was from his Antorus mythic kill, and he had killed 5 bosses from before. Not really a natural progression. And it happened 1 week before BfA pre-patch. It's pretty obvious.

    Yeah, leggos were awesome. And I am excited that we get a legendary in Shadowlands. Though I bet there will be some grind to get the pieces we want, but since we can target them(according to blizz) then I think it will be nice.
    Horde bad, smash monkey. Who is a good monkey? You are!

    Let loot be loot.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post

    This was from his Antorus mythic kill, and he had killed 5 bosses from before. Not really a natural progression. And it happened 1 week before BfA pre-patch. It's pretty obvious.

    Yeah, leggos were awesome. And I am excited that we get a legendary in Shadowlands. Though I bet there will be some grind to get the pieces we want, but since we can target them(according to blizz) then I think it will be nice.
    Oh i saw that pic but i was confused.
    All i know is that with how the world is right now and this:


    that i'm not sure how the future will be with Shadowlands. It's cus, virus can't even be that bad compared to other things people die everyday, the only difference is that it doesn't spread and this does, globally. The panic is everywhere and some jobs are literally out of hand. It's not just about the virus, but the problem and panic people get from getting it. Everything is lockdown almost.

    That's why i don't understand how can people still focus so much in judging blizzard in a moment like this, or i'm just crazy...

    Anyhow xD I want to play SL, really. I mean, i bought my pre order, and the best edition. I want to try what i payed for i just don't know but, maybe, SL will take more time since they are at home working.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    No, just see how he tries to spin his idea for sidewinders being so good when it wasn't used after Emerald Nightmare/ToV(yeah, thats what inital means, first raids) if you wanted best dps. He then proceeds to show logs that not only shows he is wrong, he also lies about it lmao. He finds one parse among thousands that shows his "proof" of sidewinders being used in Nightold/ToS. I said it wasn't used after the initial launch, which was EN/TV then says I am lying about it. If it's used by 1 of 100 it doesn't mean it's the best one. Logic 101. And he was of course in a "friends" guild where he got boosted. And he has been saying for a couple of years that he has been in a top 1000 guild for the last years, when the fact is that he has bought two boosts in Legion.

    And he is the author for a rotation addon and has average 45.50% parses, I feel sorry for those who gets his addon. He loves 1 spec so much he is blind to whatever else is wrong with BfA. It's just a string of nonsense. Just nod and smile.

    "Throughout the expansion though, they're been reducing the gap between large RNG outliers such as legendaries. Ion thinks that the drop chance may not be the issue if Legendaries were all utility."
    This was Ions apology, if you could say it is an apology. That we are getting a legendary where we can target stuff in Shadowlands just says that they thought legendaries were cool, and Ion said it as well, "getting a legendary is exciting". If people thought legendaries were bad then we wouldn't have gotten this in Shadowlands. They took the bad stuff out and doubled up on the good stuff, that Legendaries were great for gameplay.
    No you just trying to weasel out of your lies yet again. Be a man and admit to your lies. You said sidewinders wasn't even used after initial launch. But it was.
    So that is a lie.

    You lied again saying people just by playing normally could get leggos quick, that was another lie, you farmed like crazy. And i suspect you still didn't finish all the leggos in 5-6 months because from what you said, 5-6 months and you had them all. Another lie.

    How can anyone take you seriously if you lie so much?

    "if they could turn back time" is essentially saying they deeply regret it.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    Oh i saw that pic but i was confused.
    All i know is that with how the world is right now and this:


    that i'm not sure how the future will be with Shadowlands. It's cus, virus can't even be that bad compared to other things people die everyday, the only difference is that it doesn't spread and this does, globally. The panic is everywhere and some jobs are literally out of hand. It's not just about the virus, but the problem and panic people get from getting it. Everything is lockdown almost.

    That's why i don't understand how can people still focus so much in judging blizzard in a moment like this, or i'm just crazy...

    Anyhow xD I want to play SL, really. I mean, i bought my pre order, and the best edition. I want to try what i payed for i just don't know but, maybe, SL will take more time since they are at home working.
    Yeah, I mean they are affected by it as much as every other company. If it makes the development of Shadowlands delayed then so be it. Games are fun, but the reality is that we are in this situation now. Can only do the most of it. The meme about staying home, not meeting anyone, just like every other day for gamers is fun though. But it's pretty serious right now.
    Horde bad, smash monkey. Who is a good monkey? You are!

    Let loot be loot.

  14. #294
    Seems like we have clarifications on how much are they going to cost:
    https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...on-alts/133275

    Seems like they are dirt cheap, 1 emissary + 3 visions clear = 1 essence
    2 assaults = big and small = 2/5 of essence
    and so on.

    pasting it (you need 500 for R3 essence) and:

    Black Empire Assault – 125 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Aqir/Amathet/Mantid/Mogu Assault – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Horrific Visions – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha, plus 25 per additional objective completed (i.e. 150 Echoes for a full clear)
    Emissary Quest – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Heroic Darkshore Warfront – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Normal/Heroic/Mythic Ny’alotha raid bosses – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha each, once per week per boss
    Ny’alotha Raid Finder wings – 25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Random Battleground wins – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
    Rated Arena wins – 10-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
    Rated Battleground wins – 35 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
    Weekly PvP Cache – 175 to 300 Echoes of Ny’alotha, based on PvP rank
    Mythic Keystone dungeon end-of-run chest – 3 Echoes of Ny’alotha per Keystone Level (i.e. 30 Echoes of Ny’alotha for a Mythic 10)
    Weekly Mythic Keystone Cache – 20 Echoes of Ny’alotha per highest Keystone Level

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Seems like we have clarifications on how much are they going to cost:
    https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...on-alts/133275

    Seems like they are dirt cheap, 1 emissary + 3 visions clear = 1 essence
    2 assaults = big and small = 2/5 of essence
    and so on.

    pasting it (you need 500 for R3 essence) and:
    But they aren't free, greedy Blizzard making us grind. Rage!

    Well that's my sarcasm quota for today.

  16. #296
    @kaminaris

    You can do 3 visions in one day?
    I have no idea how visions work.

    But am extremely curious about this timegate

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    @kaminaris

    You can do 3 visions in one day?
    I have no idea how visions work.

    But am extremely curious about this timegate
    Horrific Visions are timegated in the sense that they require a resource that you get from doing the 8.3 dailies and assaults. Generally you'll get about enough of that resource to do something like 4 visions per week.

  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    Horrific Visions are timegated in the sense that they require a resource that you get from doing the 8.3 dailies and assaults. Generally you'll get about enough of that resource to do something like 4 visions per week.
    Im not sure anymore but around 5 is possible.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    @kaminaris

    You can do 3 visions in one day?
    I have no idea how visions work.

    But am extremely curious about this timegate
    As much as you want as long as you have currency, somewhere around 4-5 a week with minimal effort, and it stacks up so if you only do 1 weekly, you will be able to do 20 in a row.

    BUT as I quite enjoy them, i couldn't get myself to do more than 3-4 per week, as I said in other thread I timegate things myself so I don't get burned out.

    Currently I could buy about 10 keys on main and 6 keys on alt. My friends who do dailies can do like 20 or so.
    Last edited by kaminaris; 2020-03-17 at 05:32 AM.

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    You can do 3 visions in one day?
    I have no idea how visions work.
    You can collect 0-6-ish keys every week (this depends on how "hard" you want to grind). You use those keys to enter visions. Generally you get 5 keys per week if you do the 8.3 daily content. You can save the currency from dailies and buy 20 keys at once if you wanted to.
    Last edited by ComplexSignal; 2020-03-17 at 05:33 AM.

  20. #300
    Shame they didn't do account wide essences.

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