No. Azshara had her greatness already - Queen of the Empire. She threw it in the trash.
Now, other greatness awaits her. She will seek Sargeras once more - to free him from the Seat of the Pantheon.
No. Azshara had her greatness already - Queen of the Empire. She threw it in the trash.
Now, other greatness awaits her. She will seek Sargeras once more - to free him from the Seat of the Pantheon.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
Would you not say she has accomplished great things already?
Outland wasn't a world, it was a wretched shithole torn asunder by Ner'zhul. Also he planned to use Outland as his staging ground to tear apart the Legion, unlike Azshara who just wanted to rule Azeroth to satisfy her massive ego.
Plus technically these scenarios are very different. Back in TBC we knew NOTHING of what Illidan planned to do, we never saw things from his perspective. Whereas in BfA we indeed saw what Azshara planned to do, we were given intel into her real intentions, and those weren't anything good. Remember Warbringers? Azshara is such a psycho that she literally blackmailed a god because she wants to rule his empire at his side.
Listen, if Sylvanas becomes Kerrigan 2.0, I'll take the L and stfu. But at the same time, I very much doubt that will happen because Blizzard has set up the exact opposite for her. Plus after the whole fiasco with Grommash, they might be more cautious about redeeming mass murderers. It can be done, but you need a lot of time to set that shit up, and with Sylvanas they've been repeating since Cataclysm that she's becoming just as evil as the Lich King. They've set up a negative character arc for her, not a redemption arc.
To be honest, the only argument you can use to prove she'll be redeemed is that she's popular, which is a meta reason. But that's a weak argument, because Arthas was the most popular character in the franchise and they killed him early on in WoW's history.
I don't have a problem with a villain redeeming themselves. Kerrigan is my favourite SC character and she's the textbook example of a villain redeeming themselves. But at the same time, they've literally done nothing to show that either Sylvanas or Azshara are willing to atone for their sins, and so any redemption arc for either of them would just be forced and absurd.
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The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
Maybe but the pissed off a lot of people.
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they had to add and retcon some things to make Illidan redeemable.
LoL she will definitely be redeemed.Listen, if Sylvanas becomes Kerrigan 2.0, I'll take the L and stfu. But at the same time, I very much doubt that will happen because Blizzard has set up the exact opposite for her. Plus after the whole fiasco with Grommash, they might be more cautious about redeeming mass murderers. It can be done, but you need a lot of time to set that shit up, and with Sylvanas they've been repeating since Cataclysm that she's becoming just as evil as the Lich King. They've set up a negative character arc for her, not a redemption arc.
To be honest, the only argument you can use to prove she'll be redeemed is that she's popular, which is a meta reason. But that's a weak argument, because Arthas was the most popular character in the franchise and they killed him early on in WoW's history.
I don't have a problem with a villain redeeming themselves. Kerrigan is my favourite SC character and she's the textbook example of a villain redeeming themselves. But at the same time, they've literally done nothing to show that either Sylvanas or Azshara are willing to atone for their sins, and so any redemption arc for either of them would just be forced and absurd.
all i know is that they change their story direction stupid fast. they said sylvanas wont go the way of Garrosh and they have pretty much decimated her in nearly the same way. BfA had absolutely no real conclusion to almost anything.
1. the war: sylvanas is still out there. the horde now has a council and again like MoP there was an end cinematic of "dont do it again ok! or else! next time!"
2. the void: even with nzoths defeat the lore dudes are like "errr dont just assume hes defeated ok! there is a lesson here!"
im fine with villains redeeming themselves but how do you come back from setting fire to a city and then feeding your own army to increase your power?
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
This is just saying she gonna try and spread her tentacles for the Void Lords.
Well more likely she's gonna try and overthrow them.
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Not really. The Night Elf Empire existed before her, then when she came to power she plunged it into civil war and destroyed it. She was only saved by divine intervention and when she tried to betray her saviour she was captured. Shes powerful but shes hardly successful.
I must say that would be totally unexpected. And I think, a lot more hardcore players would be okay with Azshara becoming the chosen one, because they don't care for her as much as they do say Illidan.
They were so annoyed at Illidan becoming the chosen one.. and I blame entirely teh early lleak on the novel, in MMO-C that ruinedthat plot.. too many people read the main points WITHOUT the context, and alreadymade up their midn they didn't like it. Despite the entire book writeten to properly explainwhat was truly remarkable about illidan in a positive (if you could call it that) way.
Azshara transitioning from greatest ruler, to geratest villain, to chosen one would be interesting to say the least, beucase everyone expects her to either die sooon, or die later, and think they know her well, despite very little been said about her character, and her history demanding that there is more to her than meets the eye.
But when you don't care about her or night elves, you don't tend to pay much attention. Like most guys do, you make fast conclusions, and move on. Which is why you are surprised when something different is done with those characters.
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It’s not entirely clear to me, was there what you say?
The Kaldorei Empire was much like the Roman Empire in the real world. It became so big that it crumbled under the weight of it's size, and the lust for power of it's leaders
There's nothing more to her story. She is a powerhungry psycho with a God complex. She wanted to marry Sargeras. She wanted to reshape the world according to her vision. She then made a deal with N'Zoth and wanted to bend even a god to her will. She is a scumbag. At this point the only thing we don't know is how her hubris will lead to her demise.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
That's why she has God complex. She is the chosen one. She is WoW equivalent of God Emperor of Mankind.
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Ithalaine?
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So she is like Alliance with their imperialism.
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And enamored. Maybe if she stood against Sargeras, she would be able to get some Legion worlds as her colonies.
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"And I will set us all free!" - Sylvanas
There is no need of good will. If one of them saves the world, it is enough to be thankful. Did Illidan apologise for all Draenei he killed? No, he is proud of that.But at the same time, they've literally done nothing to show that either Sylvanas or Azshara are willing to atone for their sins, and so any redemption arc for either of them would just be forced and absurd.
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The difference is that Turalyon had to do something to deserve golden eyes, while elves are blessed with them from birth. It likely means that Light wants to do something with an elf.
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Is she that dumb? Sargeras put a giant sword in her planet.
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Not really. Illidan was power hungry(especially in Warcraft 3) but he didn't want Light, as it would dominate him. Azshara is power hungry and proud, so she would never accept giving her will away for some power. She is that kind of person who would shoot laser against stronger being to prove her might.
I want more Azshara, because her sass and voice actress are delightful. Nazjatar, Azshara, Nyalotha and N'zoth were wasted villain and world potential whereas we got instead 2/3 of an expansion where Sylvanas'es plot was going who knows where.