Trump orders GM to make ventilators "GM was wasting time" and action was needed...

[DKjaigen]

Yes, nationalizing industry is socialism. Taking control of the means of production... socialism. Now, you are free to try and justify that socialism, but it's still socialism.

During every single war or crisis over the last 2000 years governments seized control of the industry to fix the problem and then released them when the crisis was gone. Why is this socialism when the ultimate goal is to return to a capitalist system?

[Machismo]

During every single war or crisis over the last 2000 years governments seized control of the industry to fix the problem and then released them when the crisis was gone. Why is this socialism when the ultimate goal is to return to a capitalist system?

So, you guys love socialism,thanks for admitting it.

[Rogue Karl]

Robot accuracy can repeat within a .050mm or less, if that isn't accurate enough then I don't know what to tell you because we have plenty of parts in automotive that are fit together with robots and machines that are much more accurate.

I mean you don't think machines run on magic do you?

I can't see how a piece of equipment used to screw on car doors is somehow magically going to be used to build something that isn't a car..

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What do you think assembles them normally? Fairies?

I think machines designed to build them not a car assembly line... it would be like asking them to build computers it's a entirely different plant..

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What do you think assembles them normally? Fairies?

I think machines designed to build them not a car assembly line... it would be like asking them to build computers it's a entirely different plant..

[Draco-Onis]

During every single war or crisis over the last 2000 years governments seized control of the industry to fix the problem and then released them when the crisis was gone. Why is this socialism when the ultimate goal is to return to a capitalist system?

Because Trump said it was socialism Venezuelan socialism to be exact.

[Dadwen]

thread made me think this that the ford seat fans were a good match for being used as respirators.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...irus-covid-19/

[Rennadrel]

I mean you don't think machines run on magic do you?

I can't see how a piece of equipment used to screw on car doors is somehow magically going to be used to build something that isn't a car..

Then you are neither creative nor do you understand the industry. I've spent nearly a decade in automotive, you'd be amazed at how people react when shit hits the fan. I've had to manufacture tooling for automotive where we went from design to build completion in 2 and a half weeks so a customer could start running parts. And making the stuff we make is no easy feat, not to mention there's always bound to be issues when you rush something out the door. But within 3 weeks the customer was making parts and feeding them through the lines. In manufacturing, people are VERY technically savvy. It's not hard to reprogram a robot either. The hardest part is the tooling for the robot. And in the case of making ventilators, it would just be a matter of making new components that go on the robot arm to handle the parts at assembly, this wouldn't be a welding robot which are designed exclusively for welding things like car bodies together. Likely the retool request would be at GM's engine assembly plants, not their final vehicle assembly facilities.

[Breccia]

Some people here need to make up their minds.

2 days ago there was all this screeching about how he does not use DPA and now there is screeching about him using DPA.

???

Who? Quote them.

[Stormspellz]

Just remember, every useful thing that any level of government - local, state, or federal - has done in the course of meeting this crisis has been an act of waiving, suspending, or removing some rule or regulation that left in place would make responding harder. That should be a lesson, but won't be.

simply wrong

[Zan15]

During every single war or crisis over the last 2000 years governments seized control of the industry to fix the problem and then released them when the crisis was gone. Why is this socialism when the ultimate goal is to return to a capitalist system?

So you admit its temporary socialism, with the Hope it goes back to a capitalist system...which would be a shock because even before this it was not an actual capitalist system.

[cubby]

Just remember, every useful thing that any level of government - local, state, or federal - has done in the course of meeting this crisis has been an act of waiving, suspending, or removing some rule or regulation that left in place would make responding harder. That should be a lesson, but won't be.

Nothing about is correct - including the sentiment and thought process behind it.

[DKjaigen]

So you admit its temporary socialism, with the Hope it goes back to a capitalist system...which would be a shock because even before this it was not an actual capitalist system.

Who fucking cares ?! Your obsessing if its socialism or capitalism but that's a worthless ideal . The economy ultimately is their to benefit the people . If the state needs to interfere to combat the Corona virus then so be it!

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So, you guys love socialism,thanks for admitting it.

No i like flexibility and common sense instead of blind zealotry over an worthless ideal. And your brand of capitalism is the most worthless of them all. And take note i said YOUR brand of capitalism.

[Breccia]

Ford and GE announce a deal to make 50,000 ventilators in 100 days.

"Oh, good, so 500 a day, by mid-April we'll have --"

Nothing.

"...what?"

With the full weight of the UAW behind the venture and the full power of Ford and GE Healthcare, production of the GE/Airon Model A-E ventilator is targeted to start the week of April 20 at Ford’s Rawsonville (Mich.) Components Plant

"But...okay, but that means 50,000 in the remaining 70 days, so 50,000 divided by 70 means by the end of April we'll see --"

Ford expects to produce 1,500 by the end of April, 12,000 by the end of May and 50,000 by July 4 – helping the U.S. government meet its goal of producing 100,000 ventilators in 100 days.

"What?"

I mean, swapping over a factory isn't exactly quick, easy, or cheap. You didn't think they'd magically appear instantly did you? Oh, these are needed, and we'll get them eventually. They'll end up cranking out 1,000 per day.

In July.

Peak deaths are in two weeks, not three months. It's great that help is on the way, but it'd be better if it was there sooner.

By the way, this Feb 27th article is about Trump considering using the DPA, and Here is a March 13 letter from 57 House Reps asking Trump to use the DPA, which again, Congress can't do. So, Trump was "considering" it for those two weeks but didn't do anything.

Moving up this Ford/GE statement by two weeks, or even a full month, changes "production doesn't even begin until the death peak has been reached" to "at least a few hundred make it out during the worst times". Trump hadn't made a move as recently as four days ago, while the deaths mounted into the thousands, and just because I can:

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine

So, let's review that thread title. Who, exactly, was "wasting time"?

[DKjaigen]

Ford and GE announce a deal to make 50,000 ventilators in 100 days.

"Oh, good, so 500 a day, by mid-April we'll have --"

Nothing.

"...what?"



"But...okay, but that means 50,000 in the remaining 70 days, so 50,000 divided by 70 means by the end of April we'll see --"

Thats not how it works. You need to retool the assembly lines and that can take weeks. As soon as they are retooled they will very likely surpass that number provided nothing goes wrong.

[Breccia]

Thats not how it works. You need to retool the assembly lines and that can take weeks.

Well then, it's a good thing I specifically said that in the original post, wasn't it?

[Machismo]

Who fucking cares ?! Your obsessing if its socialism or capitalism but that's a worthless ideal . The economy ultimately is their to benefit the people . If the state needs to interfere to combat the Corona virus then so be it!

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No o like flexibility and common sense instead of blind zealotry over an worthless ideal. And your brand of capitalism is the most worthless of them all. And take note i said YOUR brand of capitalism.

You like the flexibility to be socialist when it benefits you, but not when it doesn't?

I like capitalism, it's a shame you seem to despise it so damn much.

[Zan15]

Who fucking cares ?! Your obsessing if its socialism or capitalism but that's a worthless ideal . The economy ultimately is their to benefit the people . If the state needs to interfere to combat the Corona virus then so be it!

No i like flexibility and common sense instead of blind zealotry over an worthless ideal. And your brand of capitalism is the most worthless of them all. And take note i said YOUR brand of capitalism.

So I guess you and your party will be flexible when the "people" need healthcare.....you know....to benefit the people.....guess we'll have a 100-0 vote on that soon right?


Funny how now that the shoe is on the other foot.....its a beautiful thing to watch with you people.

[DKjaigen]

You like the flexibility to be socialist when it benefits you, but not when it doesn't?

I like it when an economic system benefits the people and if it does not it should be changed.

I like capitalism

Thats is your problem . Capitalism is far from perfect . I rather have an economic model that is based on what is needed then blindly adhering to 1 set of rules. So i dont hate capitalism . Its nothing more then a tool to me But apparently its your religion.

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So I guess you and your party will be flexible when the "people" need healthcare.....you know....to benefit the people.....guess we'll have a 100-0 vote on that soon right?


Funny how now that the shoe is on the other foot.....its a beautiful thing to watch with you people.

Oh the sheer self righteous arrogance of the left. Only you know what the people need ! Have you considered that people may have different opinions of what is best for the people?

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Well then, it's a good thing I specifically said that in the original post, wasn't it?

sry my bad

[Machismo]

I like it when an economic system benefits the people and if it does not it should be changed.



Thats is your problem . Capitalism is far from perfect . I rather have an economic model that is based on what is needed then blindly adhering to 1 set of rules. So i dont hate capitalism . Its nothing more then a tool to me But apparently its your religion.

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Oh the sheer self righteous arrogance of the left. Only you know what the people need ! Have you considered that people may have different opinions of what is best for the people?

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sry my bad

Sorry, I prefer capitalism... thanks. You can have your socialism.

[Zan15]

Oh the sheer self righteous arrogance of the left. Only you know what the people need ! Have you considered that people may have different opinions of what is best for the people?


sry my bad

Show me a single person who does not need healthcare. don't worry i'll wait.


silly self righteous arrogance of the left thinking they know that people need water too! i mean the nerve of some people!!!!

[Beefhammer]

He literally said if I did that it would be Venezuela and socialism, you are twisting yourself into a pretzel and reading the tea leaves when he said I would never do this because SOCIALISM VENEZUELA. Even your revisionism is wrong the companies were going to do it at cost they were waiting on Trump and gave up because he couldn't even tell him to figure out how many to produce.

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3 weeks ago: There's no money to give free health care to every American that's SOCIALISM

Now: Boeing here's your billions, Banks here are your interest free trillions, Wall Street here are your trillions.

magically the money showed up and no one is screaming about paying for it.

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The freaking hypocrisy here it's mind blowing.

That typical republican ass hatery. Everything they cry about that is bad is good when it can either make them lookmgood or help out those that don't really need the help or caused the problem to begin with.

Hypocritical asses all of them.

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Sorry, I prefer capitalism... thanks. You can have your socialism.

You sure enjoy your socialism in ways you don't know. Police and fire. The highway system that made interstate travel and commerce easier. The electric and phone/cable infrastructure that was put in to connect the country, as well as the utility infrastructure. Not to mention all the scientific advances and products that came from NASAs space programs.