Trump orders GM to make ventilators "GM was wasting time" and action was needed...

[Lenonis]

It's interesting seeing the "small government" types squirming to find a way to support government forcing industries to make products because Dear Leader says so.

[Mayhem]

An infrastructure bill should be fine as long as no one throws in unrelated garbage into the bill. This bill should only fund things that are directly related to the issue at hand., not side projects.

Link http://archive.vn/9aiMO

I am a bit baffled by the idea that infrastructure projects are best started at a time when everyone should stay home and bar themselves from getting in contact with people.

[Xyonai]

I am a bit baffled by the idea that infrastructure projects are best started at a time when everyone should stay home and bar themselves from getting in contact with people.

In a way it kind of makes sense, since road/bridge reconstruction in a time when people aren't on the roads would be less disruptive? Still runs into all the other usual issues, though.

[NED funded]

I am a bit baffled by the idea that infrastructure projects are best started at a time when everyone should stay home and bar themselves from getting in contact with people.

Its stimulus spending basically

Most countries will probably do something similar if they havent already like China

[Breccia]

I am a bit baffled by the idea that infrastructure projects are best started at a time when everyone should stay home and bar themselves from getting in contact with people.

Because nobody's driving on roads or bridges.

[Mayhem]

In a way it kind of makes sense, since road/bridge reconstruction in a time when people aren't on the roads would be less disruptive? Still runs into all the other usual issues, though.

Because nobody's driving on roads or bridges.

You guys are aware that it is people who are building this stuff?

[Xyonai]

You guys are aware that it is people who are building this stuff?

I'm entirely aware, just making a general remark. But if crews and companies take the right precautions I don't think trying to keep people in work while maintaining and updating our infrastructure is an entirely bad idea.

But, since this is Trump's Administration and something he himself is directly pushing for, I've got so little faith in the right precautions being taken that I'd rather they not do this sort of thing right now anyway. Tbh if this does go through, I'm 100% expecting stories coming out next month about how protective gear was lackluster and how people who were promised theoretical Hazard pay got jack-shit and/or the private contractors with possible ties to Trump's sphere of influence pocketed a bunch of money and did next to nothing.

[KrayZ33]

You guys are aware that it is people who are building this stuff?

?

It's not like you are at high risk getting infected when you build a road.
You are also not in contact with a lot of people other than the people you usally work with.

By that logic, everyone should stop working right now.
And we would be out of TP by now!

[Mayhem]

?

It's not like you are at high risk getting infected when you build a road.
You are also not in contact with a lot of people other than the people you usally work with.

By that logic, everyone should stop working right now.
And we would be out of TP by now!

There are essential jobs and then there are jobs that you don't need to do right now. So you're ok with risking the lives of roadworkers because it's more convenient to do it now when everyone else should be at home?

[KrayZ33]

There are essential jobs and then there are jobs that you don't need to do right now. So you're ok with risking the lives of roadworkers because it's more convenient to do it now when everyone else should be at home?

Yes.

It's not a matter of whether it's more convenient now or not, it's a matter of how risky it is for them to work.

You are also acting as if they are forced to work - like slaves.
That's not the case. Road construction is relatively normal right now and barely affected by the corona-crisis.
It's no different here in Germany.

[Mayhem]

Yes.

It's not a matter of whether it's more convenient now or not, it's a matter of how risky it is for them to work.

You are also acting as if they are forced to work - like slaves.
That's not the case. Road construction is relatively normal right now and barely affected by the corona-crisis.
It's no different here in Germany.

We're talking about the US, they are kind of forced to work.

[Machismo]

Yes.

It's not a matter of whether it's more convenient now or not, it's a matter of how risky it is for them to work.

You are also acting as if they are forced to work - like slaves.
That's not the case. Road construction is relatively normal right now and barely affected by the corona-crisis.
It's no different here in Germany.

It's still people that are moving around, and being around different groups of people.

[Breccia]

So you're ok with risking the lives of roadworkers because it's more convenient to do it now when everyone else should be at home?

Gonna side with @KrayZ33 on this one. We've all seen people fixing a road before. They don't deal with customers, they deal with each other. And a lot of times, they're wearing gloves and masks anyhow. It's not July/August heat out there, and the only people they'd be around is each other.

[Beefhammer]

There are essential jobs and then there are jobs that you don't need to do right now. So you're ok with risking the lives of roadworkers because it's more convenient to do it now when everyone else should be at home?

Of course not. It's not his life that would be endangered.

[Rogue Karl]

Gonna side with @KrayZ33 on this one. We've all seen people fixing a road before. They don't deal with customers, they deal with each other. And a lot of times, they're wearing gloves and masks anyhow. It's not July/August heat out there, and the only people they'd be around is each other.

It actually annoys me when mayhem is right but he has a point in this one case. This isn't a ideal situation. We are trying to produce sensitive medical equipment with machinery not designed for it.

Everything about this is unsafe and reeks of desperation.

[Beefhammer]

Gonna side with @KrayZ33 on this one. We've all seen people fixing a road before. They don't deal with customers, they deal with each other. And a lot of times, they're wearing gloves and masks anyhow. It's not July/August heat out there, and the only people they'd be around is each other.

That's on site. many would still be stopping at corner stores/gas stations to and from work picking up stuff and interacting with others throughout the day. And just because you wear a mask doesn't mean you are protected. being around people, even with PPE, is not advised over the next month.

[Kronik85]

Gonna side with @KrayZ33 on this one. We've all seen people fixing a road before. They don't deal with customers, they deal with each other. And a lot of times, they're wearing gloves and masks anyhow. It's not July/August heat out there, and the only people they'd be around is each other.

It's near impossible to keep the PPE required to work in construction sterile, which means that all the equipment you use and wear is contaminated which in turn means you realistically think that people working a physically demanding job can avoid touching their faces for an entire shift.

In other words, nu uh.

[Orange Joe]

I mean you don't think machines run on magic do you?

I can't see how a piece of equipment used to screw on car doors is somehow magically going to be used to build something that isn't a car...

TIL programming = magic..........


And you are able to vote where you live?????

[Rogue Karl]

TIL programming = magic..........


And you are able to vote where you live?????

Why can't this equipment designed to make windows forge me delicate medical equipment!!!

Tell me are you the kind of person who thinks we don't need farms because we buy our groceries from a store?

[Orange Joe]

Why can't this equipment designed to make windows forge me delicate medical equipment!!!

Tell me are you the kind of person who thinks we don't need farms because we buy our groceries from a store?

No I'm the kinda person that understand robots and be reprogrammed to assemble a great many different things.

It's not magic. It's not rocket science. It's basic engineering.....