The Scourge is overrated

[Aresk]

Just pointing out exactly what i saw in the in-game event, yea army of demons yada yada got their asses kicked like what 5 times already in Azeroth? their legacy is what Felwood? meh

Scourge, blighted the shit out of Lordaeron turning most of it into the Plaguelands, wrecked the elf lands scaring it to this day and destroyed the most powerful city ever, Dalaran.

But yeah lets just pretend it didnt happen.

Archimonde destroyed Dalaran. Arthas took a force in, retrieved the Book of Medivh, and retreated. He definitely left a number of corpses in his wake, though ultimately the city collapsed to Archimonde's magic. Additionally, given that Kil'jaeden was the one who orchestrated the creation of the Scourge, anything they did accomplish could be attributed to the Legion.

[Varodoc]

The Scourge's feats of destruction pale in comparison to the Legion's. "Blighted the shit out of Lordaeron"? That's cute, but the Legion destroyed 10.000 worlds at the very least (according to AU Gul'dan).

[DemonHunter18]

Can't believe someone thinks that the Scourge is more impressive than the Burning Legion.

The Scourge is a failed experiment basically.

Ofc, BL got screwed over by a shitty writing but they are still way more impressive than anyone really.

[Combatbutler]

That the scourge still poses a threat is rather amusing, most of the army should be in the process of breaking down by now, being just fodder with little necromantic power preserving them.

[Ardenaso]

That the scourge still poses a threat is rather amusing, most of the army should be in the process of breaking down by now, being just fodder with little necromantic power preserving them.

Caer Darrow should be de-Scourged as of Legion, no? I'm thinking Stratholme and Ghostlands will have a nice party in the pre-patch

[ArenaDk]

The Lich King at the time of his defeat? Probably not a threat to the titans, old gods, and other higher entities.

The Lich King if he won, conquered all of Azeroth, and consumed a fuckton of souls with Frostmourne? The higher entities would probably be concerned a little bit, to say the least. An entire planet consumed by Death is not something to be ignored. The cosmic balance should always be preserved. That's why it's a big deal that Yrel and the naaru conquered AU Draenor for example.

The Lich King was not the strongest villain, so much so that 1v1 Lei Shen would kill him. However his potential was noteworthy.

How realistic is that to happen? At some point the aspects and wild gods at last would have their hand forced. And worst case just use the dragonsoul like deathwing did to remove the whole scourge without a trace left. We know they will do it if needed.

and it doesnt matter how far the lichking gets. In the end deathwing awakes and arthas has no weapon close enough to stop him. Or would you argue arthas with souls = dragon soul with demon , dragon , titan power , focusing iris and more ? Which still needed tons of preparation to even harm him.

The biggest thread the lich king ever had was that if he weakens us we couldnt stop deathwing. As was the purpos of the scourge, weaking the mortals

[Varodoc]

How realistic is that to happen? At some point the aspects and wild gods at last would have their hand forced. And worst case just use the dragonsoul like deathwing did to remove the whole scourge without a trace left. We know they will do it if needed.

and it doesnt matter how far the lichking gets. In the end deathwing awakes and arthas has no weapon close enough to stop him. Or would you argue arthas with souls = dragon soul with demon , dragon , titan power , focusing iris and more ? Which still needed tons of preparation to even harm him.

The biggest thread the lich king ever had was that if he weakens us we couldnt stop deathwing. As was the purpos of the scourge, weaking the mortals

The aspects, so only 3/5, would pose much of a threat. The Lich King has plenty of aerial troops that could damage them and was in the process of resurrecting Galakrond, who was the strongest dragon during his age. Also I don't see how those dragons would be able to kill the Lich King with the dragon soul. So long as he doesn't expose himself and remains in Frozen Throne, I don't see how they could harm him. Flying straight into Icecrown would be suicidal. The aspects are powerful, but as I said they can still be brought down by hordes of frost dragons and gargoyles. The wild gods are really not that strong. Cenarius was killed by Grommash, the loa in Zandalar fell like flies. Rezan, Shadra, the bat guy, all dead in pretty quick and generic ways.

Also, if the Lich King won, it remains to be seen if Deathwing would awaken. Chronicles says that N'Zoth awakened Deathwing only because he sensed a window of opportunity to strike after the Lich King's defeat. If the Lich King never lost,

The biggest threat of the Lich King is that he controlled an army that could wash over the world like a swarm of locusts. Luckily the good Arthas was keeping the Lich King at bay. Now that there's no Lich King, the mindless Scourge poses a threat to the entirety of Azeroth, as we can see in the pre-patch of the next expansion.

[shise]

You do realize that ,technically, the Lich King defeated us, the strongest forces of Azeroth? We lost the fight, he killed us.

We were lucky that out of the blue Tirion was freed and managed to sneak through the back of the Lich King to stop him.

[DemonHunter18]

Now that there's no Lich King, the mindless Scourge poses a threat to the entirety of Azeroth, as we can see in the pre-patch of the next expansion.

which will be dealt in pre-patch as well LFMAO

[Kokolums]

The heroes of Azeroth are effectively gods. We defeat everything thrown at us. We are unstoppable. In any realistic scenario, word of our unfathomable victories would have spread across the universe. Every lifeform would tremble at the word Azeroth.

[Varodoc]

which will be dealt in pre-patch as well LFMAO

Yeah. Because it's such a massive threat that it can't be ignored. Plus, I mean, when the Scourge wasn't rampart they caused a plague that almost eradicated Azeroth during the pre-patch of WotLK, and now that the Scourge is even stronger shit should be even worse. Just saying.

[ArenaDk]

The aspects, so only 3/5, would pose much of a threat. The Lich King has plenty of aerial troops that could damage them and was in the process of resurrecting Galakrond, who was the strongest dragon during his age. Also I don't see how those dragons would be able to kill the Lich King with the dragon soul. So long as he doesn't expose himself and remains in Frozen Throne, I don't see how they could harm him. Flying straight into Icecrown would be suicidal. The aspects are powerful, but as I said they can still be brought down by hordes of frost dragons and gargoyles. The wild gods are really not that strong. Cenarius was killed by Grommash, the loa in Zandalar fell like flies. Rezan, Shadra, the bat guy, all dead in pretty quick and generic ways.

Also, if the Lich King won, it remains to be seen if Deathwing would awaken. Chronicles says that N'Zoth awakened Deathwing only because he sensed a window of opportunity to strike after the Lich King's defeat. If the Lich King never lost,

The biggest threat of the Lich King is that he controlled an army that could wash over the world like a swarm of locusts. Luckily the good Arthas was keeping the Lich King at bay. Now that there's no Lich King, the mindless Scourge poses a threat to the entirety of Azeroth, as we can see in the pre-patch of the next expansion.

Aerial troops? You mean the few stone statues and frostwyrm? Not even talking about how normal dragons dont even scale close to aspects, you think the aspects would attack alone, and not bring their whole swarms? We already see in Icc the lichking struggle with ONE MATURE dragon. If the breeding grounds were in danger there would be a few more moving out.

Galakrond was the strongest dragon in a time when dragons knew no magic/ were not real dragons yet. And he still lost. Galakrond nowdays would just be a big hardly moving target.

Remain at the frost throne? Not even talking about them using the dragonsoul. Being high up under free sky vs. the aspects with no room to dodge?

We have yet to see a aspect struggle against any non titan powered up dragon. Even after losing their power old god powered dragons barely match them.

And as much as you play down wild gods. Xuen scales via Lei shen higher then Arthas.

However I can see n zoth not waking deathwing aslong as Azshara can work in peace to open the prison hidden under water

[DemonHunter18]

Yeah. Because it's such a massive threat that it can't be ignored. Plus, I mean, when the Scourge wasn't rampart they caused a plague that almost eradicated Azeroth during the pre-patch of WotLK, and now that the Scourge is even stronger shit should be even worse. Just saying.

keep in mind that Alliance and Horde barely have enough soldiers left after Legion and BfA.

[ArenaDk]

You do realize that ,technically, the Lich King defeated us, the strongest forces of Azeroth? We lost the fight, he killed us.

We were lucky that out of the blue Tirion was freed and managed to sneak through the back of the Lich King to stop him.

technicall , Illidan at 1% of his power also defeated us? what now?

[Varodoc]

Aerial troops? You mean the few stone statues and frostwyrm? Not even talking about how normal dragons dont even scale close to aspects, you think the aspects would attack alone, and not bring their whole swarms? We already see in Icc the lichking struggle with ONE MATURE dragon. If the breeding grounds were in danger there would be a few more moving out.

Galakrond was the strongest dragon in a time when dragons knew no magic/ were not real dragons yet. And he still lost. Galakrond nowdays would just be a big hardly moving target.

Remain at the frost throne? Not even talking about them using the dragonsoul. Being high up under free sky vs. the aspects with no room to dodge?

We have yet to see a aspect struggle against any non titan powered up dragon. Even after losing their power old god powered dragons barely match them.

And as much as you play down wild gods. Xuen scales via Lei shen higher then Arthas.

However I can see n zoth not waking deathwing aslong as Azshara can work in peace to open the prison hidden under water

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Blizzard already confirmed the Scourge could eradicate all life on Azeroth.

Also, Illidan never defeated the player. He just stunned them. Stuns don't end a fight. Whereas Arthas and Argus literally oneshot them.

keep in mind that Alliance and Horde barely have enough soldiers left after Legion and BfA.

Just like they barely had enough soldiers left after Third War, Classic, and TBC.

[ArenaDk]

Source for that?

And dont quote Uther

Yeeeeeah now you stretch it. He won, we couldnt move or anything

[Varodoc]

Source for that?

And dont quote Uther

Why shouldn't I quote Terenas and Uther? There is nothing in the story that even indicates they might be wrong, and Ion actually confirmed at Blizzcon that, just like Terenas foresaw years ago, the mindless Scourge is now a grave global threat to the world, hence why in the pre-patch players must stop the invasion at its source at Icecrown Citadel.

So yes, I will indeed quote Terenas and Uther, whose statements ultimately proved to be correct in Shadowlands.

[ArenaDk]

So, how much do both of them know about aspects/ wild gods/ old gods/ deathwing? remind me please


Lets ask Rhonin who is stronger , sageras or the old gods. the answer may suprise you

[DemonHunter18]

Just like they barely had enough soldiers left after Third War, Classic, and TBC.

but WotLK happens 1 year after TBC.

SL happens immediately after BfA iirc.

surely they could have recruited more soldiers in a year rather then immediately after BfA.

[Varodoc]

So, how much do both of them know about aspects/ wild gods/ old gods/ deathwing? remind me please


Lets ask Rhonin who is stronger , sageras or the old gods. the answer may suprise you

I don't need to remind you anything, Blizzard decided in their story that the Scourge is a global threat that must be dealt with immediately. Anything else is headcanon.

Also there is nothing in the story even hinting at Terenas being wrong. No character ever brings up the idea that Terenas might have overlooked the Old Gods or Legion on Azeroth, neither did Blizzard ever point out how Terenas might have been too hasty with his judgement. You're trying to find problems where there are none.

but WotLK happens 1 year after TBC.

SL happens immediately after BfA iirc.

surely they could have recruited more soldiers in a year rather then immediately after BfA.

Not 1 year after. That'd mean that TBC lasted 2 years, when it only lasted 1. We don't know how much time passes between 2.4 and 3.0, but definitely less than one year.