TBC Fresh 58's Only

[Cempa]

Many of us who enjoy Vanilla would like to have Vanilla servers active and full. By not allowing character copy/move and TBC must be played with a fresh level 58, many good things happen with no 'real' downside at all. First, Vanilla character will remain with all its mounts/achievements, waiting for you whenever you want. Next, TBC started on an equal footing for all -no AH cornering.

TBC can now be enjoyed by all players old and young, new and those who loved it in the past equally.

Achievement/title from Vanilla character could be carried over?

Edit:

If classic servers are about the experience of an expansion long gone, you would start every one at 1 (vanilla) and 58 (TBC).

If classic servers are about progression (so they compete with live), then you would allow for, wait for it, progression.

Lets ask a question: What about players who have NOT played classic Vanilla and would like to play TBC? How would/should they do so? At level 1? Or a template level 58?

[agentsi]

I personally think fresh 58s is also the way to go. But there is going to be massive backlash no matter how it's handled.

Keep classic servers classic, leave them alone, don't let anything carry over. It's better to let those elitists stay there, and folks who want to play TBC start fresh. This also gives classic more value as some folks will raid on both servers instead of removing folks from the population entirely.

[Skizzit]

Seems to me the only people this would benefit would be the speedrunners. Within a day or two, there would be people cornering the AH anyways. It would just be the people who are able to spend the first 24 hours rushing there ahead of everyone else.

[Kyr]

I think you should be able to "copy" over characters but not bring anything valuable. For example you can copy but you only bring with you bound items like mounts, toys, pets, legendaries, etc. nothing that would change the economy but would allow players to carry over their rare achievements from what they have done in classic. at most it would give people a boost to level a little faster having better starting gear.

[crewskater]

Why would you start at 58 and not 1? Won't take long for players to get 2 max characters right away.

[Beet]

No thanks. I want TBC with my vanilla character. I suspect many people would quit playing vanilla entirely now if they did this.

[Kralljin]

I am against Pre mades.

It is very much against the spirit that the older era of WoW represents, you aren't supposed to easily catch up to other players for sake of convenience.
Leveling a character from scratch is part of the experience, even in TBC, you didn't get a free 58 because you bought TBC, you needed to have at least a character on 58 to partake in TBC Content.
Blizzard nerfed the leveling requirements and added new content, this a part of TBC that would be dead by default if you allow pre made characters.

It's also going to badly affect the TBC servers themselves, i think the one thing that keeps the Warrior population remotely in check on Classic is the fact that they are a pain in the ass to level.
58 - 70 would give anyone a rather easy staging ground to re roll when they see fit, which i don't view as a positive thing in a game where massive imbalances between classes exist.

The AH is a serious concern, but it is not worth of simply throwing any progress (besides the few and rare collectibles) from Classic servers away to give people who couldn't be arsed to level a character a free character boost.
There are better ways to prevent the "worst case scenarios" as far as the economy is concerned.
I want to keep the character who i started at level one, not start off with some pre made character.

Also, you aren't keeping Classic servers alive by that because the people behind those characters will move onto TBC, Classic servers will be very empty during the first months of TBC, regardless of pre mades or not.
By the time TBC comes out, the population will dwindle down to a few die hard classic fans and some tourist players, that's just the reality of a finite game that is at its end.

[Darknessvamp]

Personally I think they should just stick with fresh level 1s for the new servers, people are going to want to play Blood Elves and Draenei and their starting zones and there won't be any issues with gear, abilities, professions or Weapon Skills level balancing for it if everyone starts from scratch.

[Mauzi92]

think about professions. having basically no market for anything, leveling up professions will be a pain for a shitton of players imo

that being said i think starting at level1 would be the better decision

[erifwodahs]

yup, would be the best if people who wanted TBC get the TBC. I am not a fan of being killed by some Naxx geared crap with epic mount while my lvl 58 is trying to kill mobs in green gear and no or 60% mount. Or new players should get their layers, old players get's theirs and are locked to it until they reach 70. Not to mention no gold/mats transfer. Just characters and and the soulbound items.

[Big Law]

I think you should be able to "copy" over characters but not bring anything valuable. For example you can copy but you only bring with you bound items like mounts, toys, pets, legendaries, etc. nothing that would change the economy but would allow players to carry over their rare achievements from what they have done in classic. at most it would give people a boost to level a little faster having better starting gear.

That's would be cool even though I don't mind people being able to copy over anything they want.

I'd be cool with this...

Classic WoW servers
TBC Servers (New characters only)
TBC Servers (With Char Copy)

[Synical123]

Honestly, I am completely fine with whatever they do besides the character copy solution...

I can see the benefits from all situations besides that one

Fresh level 1:

That sounds good! It will spread out the leveling where the hardcores will shoot ahead and get into outland then the semi hardcore will follow then the casual etc. Making higher level zones like Hellfire not a complete shit show day one with literally EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. in the same zone

Fresh level 58:

I also see how this is good, this will be SUPER attractive for players to come back. There may be a great deal of people who say 'man I really want to play tbc... but leveling through classic again is meh'. They would obviously have to set some serious limitations to this so gold farmers can't just create new account after new account or spam fresh level 58's. How would they do this? I don't know.... maybe only allow this option for accounts older than a couple years or something? This can have some major downsides as well as major upsides in terms of people actually coming in to play and staying.

Character transfer/copy:

This one is a big deal breaker here tbh. I understand most people want to bring their classic characters over, I have a nicely geared priest myself with lots of time and effort put in. The issues with this is that some people have farmed SO MUCH GOLD since classic was released that this could actually be devastating to the AH. Maybe if they only allowed a set amount of gold to come over with your character it wouldn't be such a big issue as I don't see any harm with actually bringing over old gear sets and items and such.

[Schattenlied]

I think you should be able to "copy" over characters but not bring anything valuable. For example you can copy but you only bring with you bound items like mounts, toys, pets, legendaries, etc. nothing that would change the economy but would allow players to carry over their rare achievements from what they have done in classic. at most it would give people a boost to level a little faster having better starting gear.

This seems like the best option.

[Big Law]

Character transfer/copy:

This one is a big deal breaker here tbh. I understand most people want to bring their classic characters over, I have a nicely geared priest myself with lots of time and effort put in. The issues with this is that some people have farmed SO MUCH GOLD since classic was released that this could actually be devastating to the AH. Maybe if they only allowed a set amount of gold to come over with your character it wouldn't be such a big issue as I don't see any harm with actually bringing over old gear sets and items and such.

The way I see it, back in vanilla we all just went to Outlands with all our shit anyway, so it wouldn't be that much of a difference now except people having more knowledge on what's valuable.

Why not both though? Some servers character copy, some servers fresh characters only.

[FelPlague]

Seems to me the only people this would benefit would be the speedrunners. Within a day or two, there would be people cornering the AH anyways. It would just be the people who are able to spend the first 24 hours rushing there ahead of everyone else.

This, the only people it would benefit is the speedrunners. plus some classes like warlock and paladin would be fucked, their mounts would be removed, having to re-earn them, and with such be unable, cause no one has the crafting mats, or is making them, or even willing to run the dungeons.

[Synical123]

The way I see it, back in vanilla we all just went to Outlands with all our shit anyway, so it wouldn't be that much of a difference now except people having more knowledge on what's valuable.

Why not both though? Some servers character copy, some servers fresh characters only.

That's the issue though. Back in vanilla there was a screenshot of this mage with like 6k gold and people would gasp and awe about how much gold that was as it was a crazy crazy amount back then. Now every tom dick and harry has a couple thousand sitting around while some are probably near the hundreds by now. That's not just something you can ignore.

Also the two types of servers is just silly imo. You are attempting to splinter the community once again for seemingly no reason at all lol. What if you have a friend that is coming back and wants a new character well too bad you have to sit on the copy server. What if only 1/5 of the community has classic characters but you made too many servers at launch and now they are all spread out while the majority of new players are in full, always q timed servers?

That's waaay too much headache to try to manage. Christ they had issues with making the servers correct for everyone on a fresh start let alone trying to predict how many new players will come in and make servers for them as well as predict how many classic players are going to come in and make the correct amount of servers for them.

This is probably why they are looking into options like fresh start and the fresh 58 because of how much of a hassle that would be.

[Unholyground]

1 copy per character to the TBC server of your choice (as in every character can be copied over once each), and new ones start at level 1 like back in the day. That is a very simple way to do it and makes the most logical sense.

Maybe they also give everyone 1 level 58 fresh too.

[Anastacy]

1 copy per character to the TBC server of your choice (as in every character can be copied over once each), and new ones start at level 1 like back in the day. That is a very simple way to do it and makes the most logical sense.

Maybe they also give everyone 1 level 58 fresh too.

Easy to copy gold that way.

It needs to be transfers, or fresh characters.

[Unholyground]

Easy to copy gold that way.

It needs to be transfers, or fresh characters.

Set a gold limit and people will deal with it, or only allow 1 character per server per faction this also solves the issue.

[Anastacy]

Set a gold limit and people will deal with it, or only allow 1 character per server per faction this also solves the issue.

Can still copy gold.

Say I only have 1k gold. Copy char. Mail 1k on original to a second char. Copy 2nd char. I now have 2k gold on TBC server.

One copy per sever could work, but depending on gold limit, then I could just have all my guild mates mail me gold, copy the char, then mail their gold back from my original.