Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

-_-

NBC and by extension CNN and ABC are going to wait til PA is at 35k+.

[Eggroll]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

[Timester]

60k votes left in NV, Biden just jumped to a 20k lead.

[Nurasu]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

Most votes in any election ever = didn't win the people.

[Endus]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

According to what metric?

Nearly 5 million more votes than Barack Obama got in 2008. How is that a "piss poor job of winning the people"? Show your work.

[cubby]

@Breccia

Question, if the President does an executive order, who is it that has to challenge it?

And Executive Order is a nefarious thing - used by Presidents for a multitude of reasons. Most Presidents use them to effect policy when Congress doesn't address an issue, leaves and issue unanswered, or neglects one part of a larger policy initiative. They can also be used to muster Federal Agencies or Resources towards a specific purpose.

Who can challenge it? Almost anyone, so long as they have cause to do so. NGO's, private citizens, and various categories of groups can challenge an EO. At that point it comes down to the normal provisions of a legal suit - causality, standing, etc.

[Kaleredar]

Tbh Biden's biggest pro is that he's not Trump.

And that’s a pretty good “pro” in my book.

Other than the ramblings of the concern trolls, I’ve never seen or heard anything compelling claiming Biden would actually be an ineffective or incompetent leader that would make the country worse. At its worst, it’s always a matter of “he won’t make it better as fast as I want!” Which is a legitimate contention for any candidate... unless he’s being put up against Trump.

[Endus]

And Executive Order is a nefarious thing - used by Presidents for a multitude of reasons. Most Presidents use them to effect policy when Congress doesn't address an issue, leaves and issue unanswered, or neglects one part of a larger policy initiative. They can also be used to muster Federal Agencies or Resources towards a specific purpose.

Who can challenge it? Almost anyone, so long as they have cause to do so. NGO's, private citizens, and various categories of groups can challenge an EO. At that point it comes down to the normal provisions of a legal suit - causality, standing, etc.

EOs are a funny thing. They're basically meaningless, unless you work for the executive branch directly. Outside of executive branch employees, they're just an official recommendation or suggestion, at best, and can just be ignored or mocked at your whim.

[Timester]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

Actually, Biden won people, so did Trump.

Thats the lesson of this election.

[Edge-]

But their claim was that the Democrats were "underperforming", this election. There is literally no metric where that is true.

I think that was more focused on the Congressional level, which Democrats are absolutely underperforming compared to expectations and hopes (especially give the insane money poured in). Keeping the House but losing seats, rather than expanding their lead, is a gut-punch for Democratic leadership. Not getting that hoped for majority (which doesn't look likely) in the Senate is another gut-punch given expectations that they had a good chance at a slim margin.

[MCMLXXXII]

Sure, I'm hardly a Biden fanboy.

But their claim was that the Democrats were "underperforming", this election. There is literally no metric where that is true.

Well my gut predicted a blue landslide, that didn't really happen. I guess I'm not the only one. In that case they underperformed. However I can't predict how they would have performed with an other/better candidate. Looks to me the Democrats could use some more unity.

[Milchshake]

Doesn't Biden have literally the most votes of any Presidential nominee ever?

Quite often, by people they only mean their people.

One concern troll in particular stated she was only truly concerned with her "mirco-ethnicity". Really hates the Dems for not putting that group front and center.

[Dhrizzle]

[alexw]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

I really don't think its that simple. Democratic voter turnout skyrocketed.

The issue is the unholy coalition Trump put together between normal establishment republicans and knuckle-dragging deplorables.

So the QANON types, the alt-right types, the people who'd love a strong-man dictator running the country, the people who liked seeing Trump insult and belittle anyone and everyone.

The establishment republican types would not have been enough, if only they had turned out to vote it would have been a democratic party landslide, but adding in the deplorables, that extra 5%, was enough to make the election really really close.

[Egomaniac]

Holy moly, even IF Joe Biden wins the election, Dems have done a piss poor job of winning the people.

It appears they have learned NOTHING from the 2016 election. Much less a learning curve.. more like a flatline...

Neither party seemed to learn much over the last 4 years...but if the democrats did a "piss poor job of winning the people" and are still winning the popular vote by ~4 million....what does that say about the Republicans?

[Nurasu]

Philadelpiha sounds like another one of Trump's made up Spanish words.

[Warning]

Well my gut predicted a blue landslide, that didn't really happen. I guess I'm not the only one. In that case they underperformed. However I can't predict how they would have performed with an other/better candidate. Looks to me the Democrats could use some more unity.

You're missing the underlying point. The RATIO of votes (which determines the election) isn't just dependent on Democratic performance (which as Endus has noted is up, not down) it also depends on Republican performance, which just like Democratic performance is up. So neither party underperformed, they brought out more votes than ever before. As a result the race was closer than expected.

[Eggroll]

According to what metric?

Nearly 5 million more votes than Barack Obama got in 2008. How is that a "piss poor job of winning the people"? Show your work.

I'm not talking about votes. Look at how narrow the counts are everywhere except maybe die hard Democrat territories like cities.

I mean, it's a pretty poor result if you are running against someone like Trump, and are not able to convince a large portion of the people about how shitty he is. I saw parts of the Obama speach in Georgia a few days ago. He just stood there, smug, praising Biden, condemning Trump. I don't thinks that's how you flip someone away from Trump.

Imagine you were a salesman for BMW and were to flip a die hard Audi fan and all you were saying would be: well AUDI is shit, and everyone who buys it is stupid. Wanna buy a BMW?

[Themius]

I'm not talking about votes. Look at how narrow the counts are everywhere except maybe die hard Democrat territories like cities.

I mean, it's a pretty poor result if you are running against someone like Trump, and are not able to convince a large portion of the people about how shitty he is. I saw parts of the Obama speach in Georgia a few days ago. He just stood there, smug, praising Biden, condemning Trump. I don't thinks that's how you flip someone away from Trump.

Imagine you were a salesman for BMW and were to flip a die hard Audi fan and all you were saying would be: well AUDI is shit, and everyone who buys it is stupid. Wanna buy a BMW?

Democrats aren't selling hatred and religious fervour. What else can we expect?

... It's disappointing it is this close.

[Nurasu]

I'm not talking about votes. Look at how narrow the counts are everywhere except maybe die hard Democrat territories like cities.

I mean, it's a pretty poor result if you are running against someone like Trump, and are not able to convince a large portion of the people about how shitty he is. I saw parts of the Obama speach in Georgia a few days ago. He just stood there, smug, praising Biden, condemning Trump. I don't thinks that's how you flip someone away from Trump.

Imagine you were a salesman for BMW and were to flip a die hard Audi fan and all you were saying would be: well AUDI is shit, and everyone who buys it is stupid. Wanna buy a BMW?

You can't flip a Trump supporter as a Democrat. They are not voting for policy. They are voting for anti-policy. Unless the Dem platform drops things like equal rights, abortion rights, and COVID response, they aren't taking any Republican votes.