Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Orange Joe]

How is that hypocrisy? I'm literally admitting to you I am wrong.

You're right, I don't think I'd get along with someone lacking basic literacy skills.

Where did I apply both of those terms to you? lol

[Kellhound]

Because centrists did so well in red areas this election cycle /s

So, if a centralist cannot gain enough support to win, why on earth do you think moving further left will gain them more votes than they lose?

[Mormolyce]

Because centrists did so well in red areas this election cycle /s

Maddening, isn't it? When the Democrats are up against a strong candidate, they tell you to move to the right in order to compete. When they're up against a weak candidate, they tell you to move to the right because you can't afford to lose.

Meanwhile actual left wing policies that they leave behind only get more popular, while no candidate will support them.

[eschatological]

Unless you live in a reliably blue state, not a good idea.

I live in fucking NY, but I live upstate in the Rust Belt in a blue district.

The Rust Belt needs more progressive leadership.

Plus, I can totally stream video games with the Squad.

[Mormolyce]

So, if a centralist cannot gain enough support to win, why on earth do you think moving further left will gain them more votes than they lose?

I don't see the point in endorsing right wing candidates for fear of being labelled a socialist, when they will label you that anyway. Those people who want a conservative are not interested in an off-brand conservative.

[Kellhound]

I live in fucking NY, but I live upstate in the Rust Belt in a blue district.

The Rust Belt needs more progressive leadership.

Plus, I can totally stream video games with the Squad.

NY? Oh yeah, you could win there even if you were Carl Marx, so long as you run as a "D".

[Draco-Onis]

So, if a centralist cannot gain enough support to win, why on earth do you think moving further left will gain them more votes than they lose?

If democrats are just republican lite people just vote republican the democratic party needs to stand something other than that. Joe Biden is what a republican would have been in 2020 but he failed to produce to landslide victory that was promised he got lumped up as a socialist in red areas like everyone else. What Trump and Biden have proven is that the key is to activate your base and you aren't going to get that with moderation.

[Shadowferal]

Because centrists did so well in red areas this election cycle /s

And do you really think a candidate like Bernie would've done better?

[eschatological]

NY? Oh yeah, you could win there even if you were Carl Marx, so long as you run as a "D".

Yeah, IMO Buffalo is primed for a good progressive candidate, and not our milquetoast centrist Dem. I like Brian Higgins, but jeez, do something besides kowtowing to the DNC line.

[Draco-Onis]

NY? Oh yeah, you could win there even if you were Carl Marx, so long as you run as a "D".

Laughable considering your people elected a dead man to office.

[Xeones]

And do you really think a candidate like Bernie would've done better?

Quite possibly.

[Draco-Onis]

And do you really think a candidate like Bernie would've done better?

I can't say because I don't have a crystal ball but all the things they said having Biden on the ticket would do versus Bernie he didn't do. I would have gone with Elizabeth Warren over Bernie as much as I support him he has damaged his brand too much to run successfully.

[Kellhound]

I don't see the point in endorsing right wing candidates for fear of being labelled a socialist, when they will label you that anyway. Those people who want a conservative are not interested in an off-brand conservative.

Lets say you have a state that has 40% of the population that would vote for the "D" no matter what, 30% that would vote for the "R" no matter what, and 30% in the middle. If the "R" candidates are already winning, how would the "D" going further left help them gain more of the middle 30%? Politics is not a battle at the extremes, but on in the middle.

[Shadowferal]

Quite possibly.

Nope.
Had Bernie been the candidate you'd be wondering what happened.

[kaelleria]

Donate to Ossoff and Warnock's campaign here.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/georgiasenate

If they both win, Mitch isn't majority leader anymore.

[Kellhound]

Laughable considering your people elected a dead man to office.

1: They are not "my people".
2: That's called voting against the other party, which people on all side do.

[Shadowferal]

I can't say because I don't have a crystal ball but all the things they said having Biden on the ticket would do versus Bernie he didn't do. I would have gone with Elizabeth Warren over Bernie as much as I support him he has damaged his brand too much to run successfully.

You should have noted the things said in AZ and NC and GA.
Biden wasn't saying "progressive" things.

[kaelleria]

I'm pretty sure Biden only won because he was a known quantity.

LIterally anyone else would have been stuck with rediculous attacks that worked...

The socialism and defund the police attacks worked downballot unfortunately.

This is coming from someone that did not support Joe in the primary and volunteered for another campaign.

[Draco-Onis]

You should have noted the things said in AZ and NC and GA.
Biden wasn't saying "progressive" things.

And I could easily argue that those victories are mostly driven by black voters who are afraid of Trump they didn't care who it was that was running. In AZ Mark Kelly gave Biden the win he was leading in the polls even before he got the nomination. The only question would be if an progressive candidate would have been more successful in the rust belt which Biden got by the skin of his teeth.

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1: They are not "my people".
2: That's called voting against the other party, which people on all side do.

Let me make your point moot Donald Trump and the republican party got into power if your logic is correct that shouldn't happen because moderation sells right? The voting population gives lip service to centrism but they do not reward it, I foresee a bloodbath in 2022 for the democrats.

[Edward Wu]

Where did I apply both of those terms to you? lol

This is some epic backpedaling. Don't be a sore winner, it doesn't pay off.