Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Xeones]

To be fair he said that election was rigged too, when he thought he was going to lose. Suddenly wasn't when he won.

No, he never stopped claiming fraud. He claimed he won the popular vote but "fraud". Had he won the popular vote he might have? I think he would have then just started claiming fraud in states he lost by a small margin in that case though. It's like how he isn't talking about fraud in Ohio or Florida states Biden was "supposed" to win.

[Thepersona]

Or, if you're a Trump supporter, "intentional Soros Venezuela fraud"

I will say this as a latin american, please leave Venezuela alone. Or better yet, try to reverse the embargos that make the life of Venezuelans a living hell

[Breccia]

I will say this as a latin american, please leave Venezuela alone.

Hey, I'm not the one using Venezuela as a cheap attack line. You can thank Team Trump for that.

[Breccia]

Remind me of the chain here again. It was something like Venezuela > Chavez > Soros... right?

You missed the Democrats, China, Communism, the fourth season of Lost, the fake news media, and Biden. By the way, I lied about two of those, and I'll bet you can't guess which two.

[Breccia]

Oh, and it’s Lost and, shockingly, Biden. Seemed like Rudy didn’t want to catch a lawsuit.

Indeed. He actually said he didn't know what Biden knows and even went far enough to say "I'm not being glib, this is me talking as a lawyer, by the way what's opacity"?

[Corvus]

Once Rudy started leaking oil I found it hard to concentrate. Oh, and it’s Lost and, shockingly, Biden. Seemed like Rudy didn’t want to catch a lawsuit.

I'd say Dominion has a pretty clear cut case for defamation after all the accusation Rudy has been making against them.

[Breccia]

-- Senator Mitt Romeny, Republican, too little too late.

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When Trump sends lawyers to court, it seems he’s not sending his best

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Fighting to challenge an election he lost to President-elect Joe Biden, Trump has launched a barrage of lawsuits across the country. Top Republicans have stood behind him and said they will wait for those cases to be resolved before officially recognizing the winner, a standard that has no modern precedent.

But his attorneys have repeatedly made elementary errors in those high-profile cases: misspelling “poll watcher” as “pole watcher,” forgetting the name of the presiding judge during a hearing, inadvertently filing a Michigan lawsuit before an obscure court in Washington and having to refile complaints after erasing entire arguments they’re using to challenge results.

Trump’s legal team has lost repeatedly in court and failed to uncover the kind of widespread fraud that might challenge Biden’s leads in several key battleground states. His lawyers and allies have still pressed forward with asking judges and certification authorities to block the results.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and other Trump lawyers held a press conference Thursday in which they berated reporters for questioning their claims and cited a Michigan affidavit already dismissed by a judge. They also argued a debunked conspiracy theory that Venezuela could have hacked election results through machines used by local authorities.

Experts have noted that Trump is not employing the Republican Party’s top election lawyers, including those who represented the GOP in the Florida recount two decades ago. Law firms have faced public pressure from Trump opponents not to fight the election on his behalf. Legal giant Porter Wright Morris & Arthur withdrew from a case in Pennsylvania last week.

Attorneys at the larger, more established firms that had been representing Trump have expressed concern privately about pushing a legal strategy without a body of evidence, and worry that it’s wrongly furthering a false narrative that the election was fraudulent, according to two people familiar with the litigation. The people were not authorized to speak about litigation and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

The day before a major argument in Pennsylvania, three lawyers for Trump withdrew and bla bla bla we know that part.

Much of the derision has focused on Giuliani, who appeared in court on Tuesday in the Pennsylvania case. It was the first time he had represented a client in federal court in almost three decades.

During the hearing, Giuliani forgot the name of an opposing lawyer, misstated the name of the presiding judge and mistook the meaning of the word “opacity.”

Hasen pointed to Giuliani’s apparent lack of knowledge of the meaning of “strict scrutiny,” the highest of three standards used by judges to evaluate how a law or action taken by the government affects someone’s constitutional rights. The Trump campaign has claimed without providing evidence that Pennsylvania violated voters’ rights by allegedly allowing election fraud.

Strict scrutiny is a basic concept taught to aspiring lawyers and constitutional law classes.

“I’ve never seen an election lawyer handle a case as poorly as Giuliani has,” Hasen said. “The idea that the lawyer arguing the most important case in Pennsylvania would not understand what it means to apply the standard of strict scrutiny in a constitutional case is mind-boggling.”

It goes on, but you get the idea.

Those boldeds tho.

[Hinastorm]

I'd like to take a moment to thank Rudy Giuliani. His clown faces, hair dye trickling down his sweaty cheek, constant look as if he's just been exhumed, My Cousin Vinny impersonations, and Four Seasons Total Landscaping fuckup have brought many a good laugh to my soul in this otherwise god-awful year.

The guy has been a gigantic clown everytime he shows up even BEFORE all of that. How he still has his fucking job is just a cosmic mystery at this point.

Trump must have crazy dirt on him, ensuring his loyalty, or some shit.

[jonnysensible]

dying old men scrambling for attention.

[Breccia]

Trump must have crazy dirt on him, ensuring his loyalty, or some shit.

I mean...he's the only New Yorker who likes Trump. Maybe he's just repaying campaign donations?

[beanman12345]

I mean...he's the only New Yorker who likes Trump. Maybe he's just repaying campaign donations?

I read an article that Giuliani at one time didn't even like Trump and refused to let Trump buy him breakfast. Now apparently he has barely any friend's left, Lev Parnas said he is lonely, selfish, loves himself and fame and not much else.

[Kathranis]

Senator Mitt Romeny, Republican, too little too late.

Romney at least has been pretty consistent in supporting Biden's victory and denouncing Trump's actions, but he's also in a fairly unique position within the party and seemingly hasn't done much to actually pressure Trump or even his colleagues to get their shit together, so yeah. We can pretty much write off the entire Republican party.

[downnola]

I want you to stop and think about the absurdity of choosing a candidate whose sole claim to the role is electability, and when he fails to perform blaming voters for it.

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I don't really know how to respond to this, basically your premise is that the heavens decreed that Hillary lose the states that she lost, it isn't her fault, and Biden should get a medal for retaking states that shouldn't have been lost in the first place, while failing to gain any of the ground establishment candidates claim they can take.

The establishment got their pick twice, and both times they failed to perform as they claimed. The end.

He didn't fail to perform. He won the election.

With the extremely obvious out of the way....



I posted this EC prediction model (by the same people who predicted the 2018 mid-terms almost down to the district) back in February. Look at that map and compare it to the election results and explain to me how Biden underperformed. He exceeded expectations by taking Arizona and Georgia.

Your argument sucks from multiple angles, just give it a rest already.

[Breccia]

Romney at least has been pretty consistent in supporting Biden's victory and denouncing Trump's actions, but he's also in a fairly unique position within the party and seemingly hasn't done much to actually pressure Trump or even his colleagues to get their shit together, so yeah. We can pretty much write off the entire Republican party.

Romney rips Trump in late-night tweet, calls president's actions effort to ‘subvert’ will of people

This is FOX News current main headline.

Huh.

The post was a dramatic shot across the bow from a sitting senator from the same party, even though the two do not have a good relationship.

Romney said he did not vote for Trump and voted to convict Trump for abusing presidential powers in February, after the House impeachecd the president.

Romney’s office told Fox News shortly after the tweet that there is a distinction between “pursuing legal challenges” where evidence exists, “and the harmful and damaging rhetoric that the election is rigged.”

His office also said “it goes without saying that applying political pressure to local officials not to certify legally cast ballots is outside the bounds of any regular legal challenge.”

[Kaleredar]

Romney rips Trump in late-night tweet, calls president's actions effort to ‘subvert’ will of people

This is FOX News current main headline.

Huh.

Unfortunately this is all coming a bit too little, too late from the Republican establishment as a whole.

It's nice to see that at least one of them has sought to grow a spine, but... two months before Trump's out of office anyway can only mitigate the damage so much.

[Resurgo]

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I posted this EC prediction model (by the same people who predicted the 2018 mid-terms almost down to the district) back in February. Look at that map and compare it to the election results and explain to me how Biden underperformed. He exceeded expectations by taking Arizona and Georgia.

Your argument sucks from multiple angles, just give it a rest already.

Interesting that your prediction (Wason Center's?) predicted a Biden win with Ohio voting for the loser...

One interesting statistic I saw was that Ohio hasn't voted for the loser since the 60's and (prior to this election) only voted for the loser twice ever.

[beanman12345]

Unfortunately this is all coming a bit too little, too late from the Republican establishment as a whole.

It's nice to see that at least one of them has sought to grow a spine, but... two months before Trump's out of office anyway can only mitigate the damage so much.

If it was anyone but Romney though. The only pub in DC who doesn't worship trump and/or is terrified of trump, and no Trumper in this country gives a shit about Romney.

[Redwyrm]

If it was anyone but Romney though. The only pub in DC who doesn't worship trump and/or is terrified of trump, and no Trumper in this country gives a shit about Romney.

Sorry Romney but fool me once. He has done this many times before. He will criticize Trump with one breath and then the next take it back. He did the same with saying he wouldn't confirm Amy Barrett for Supreme, then walked that back a day or two later

He's on the fence so much he might as well be a squirrel

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I think Trump will succeed in trying to steal a state back but Biden will be President.

[postman1782]

I think Trump will succeed in trying to steal a state back but Biden will be President.

Don't think so, Trump would need all of the states to do it, and he can't get it.