Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Theodarzna]

The American people didn't vote for Trump over Hillary. Important to remember that Trump didn't have a majority to begin with and has only alienated voters since.

I would agree the democratic party has room for improvement. These are things we can certainly change. The republican party, on the other hand, has become thoroughly rotten.

I would really fucking love the option of voting between multiple candidates and just picking the one I think will do the best job. I hate having to immediately exclude the entire republican party because of how corrupt most of them have become. Even when the rare, good and honest republican is running I still can't vote for them because I know their party will absolutely wreck shit when they have power.

So, if we accept this logic, as a question, does this mean NOT voting or just simply not voting for Biden or Trump is not automatically a vote for Trump?

I ask because you can't both argue "Trump didn't win in 2016, most didn't vote for him!" Whilst also arguing anyone not voting Biden is voting for Trump.

[Elegiac]

Let me know where I wrote that, because like, I've literally said the opposite in this thread on multiple occasions.

Also notice how there's not a lot of evidence for "Native American groups are outraged", it's mainly suburban whites on the internet getting outraged on behalf of "Native American groups" that they probably couldn't name if you asked.

Then they go and bitch about Nancy Pelosi for virtue signalling, lol.

[Thepersona]

Right....




I'm arguing that I'm likely going to live my entire adult life, as are most people of my generation, and for all others for twenty some odd years in a state of economic depression. I'm being told and constantly gaslighted about how important this election is (You know like every other election we are told the stakes are apocalyptic) and its so nakedly farcical now. A man who plans to do nothing, versus another man who will do nothing. All the old Bush era neo-cons and republicans are now uber-democrats on Biden's side, Bush being a president whom any rational person would know was way worse than Trump is but maybe I have that insight because I can remember a time before 2016 and I've not been steadily watching cable news 24/7.
[/IMG]

And you know what would make things worse? Maintaining Dotard Tang in power. Because even with all of the evil shenaningans the Bush-era conservatives did in the early 2000s, they pale in comparison on what he did right now, and what he can do when he's no longer beholden to a re-election.

[D Luniz]

Also notice how there's not a lot of evidence for "Native American groups are outraged", it's mainly suburban whites on the internet getting outraged on behalf of "Native American groups" that they probably couldn't name if you asked.

Then they go and bitch about Nancy Pelosi for virtue signalling, lol.

Im sure its a near 100% overlap of the venn diagram of them and the people that are against Washington (formerly the Redskins) changing its name

[Theodarzna]

So the Native Americans caring should be ignored? They should just not let it bother them to have someone who doesn't share in their culture at all being promoted as any version of Native American? The democrats continue to trout out Warren who at best was misinformed about her own heritage and at worst used it as a way to advance her career. It's is completely tone deaf which is the real problem.

I mean the actual Native Americans can be as upset as they want to be but really the best takeaway is Warren the Snake becoming a complete laughing stock. Especially now after she eviscerated what little reputation and credibility she had, now she is just some pathetic untrustworthy serpent who hasn't moved much from her Reagan Revolution era roots. She is the thinking mans Pete Buttigieg and always was, but for awhile ran a good con that most of the Jacobin take makers went for. One a few voices out there saw her for what she was.

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Look, we get the source of the criticism:

But that's not what's under discussion. Once again, you have this consistent problem with believing that you feeling a way about a particular person means that viewpoint is held generally.

I love how yours and by extension Milcshake's jab at me I guess is to claim "Psstt, people who criticize us are poor and not important movers and shakers". But hey, that's what the Democratic Party is now, it serves the class of people for whom wealth and social status are important measures of a humans worth. In short, there could be no dunk more Neo-Liberal in political nature than that one. But thank you for confirming my take on the DNC for me.

Your self-ownage is delicious.

[Bodakane]

I hate to tell you this but if you tell the Elizabeth Warren story to any normal person, and get the DNA test results bit, anyone except for the most die hard partisan for the Democratic Party is going to bust out laughing at Warren.

It matters to Trumpian conservatives and no one else.

If you're not a Trumpian conservative, like you claim, why does it matter to you?

[Edge-]

If you thought it had any significance you wouldn't underplay it.

I "underplay" the "outrage", because it largely wasn't from Native American groups but progressives and conservatives trolling. Native American groups didn't take issue with her claim, but with her using DNA to "prove" it.

They remain, as I said, the only ones with standing to be outraged and offended by this. If they're not offended by it outside of the DNA test, and they largely aren't, I'm not gonna get outrage on their behalf. They don't need a white dude speaking for them, they can speak for themselves.

There are actual Native American Democrats in Congress, How about having Sharice Davids or Deb Haaland handle the Native American DNC caucus?

Again, best I can tell the Caucus invited her to speak, the DNC didn't force her in there against their wishes. Hence the lack of outrage from Native groups and the fact that the only ones that seem to care are conservatives and a handful of progressives outraged on behalf of Native peoples who I suppose you "know better" than.

[PhaelixWW]

There are actual Native American Democrats in Congress, How about having Sharice Davids or Deb Haaland handle the Native American DNC caucus? Just an idea

I mean, they were there, too...

[Theodarzna]

It matters to Trumpian conservatives and no one else.

If you're not a Trumpian conservative, like you claim, why does it matter to you?

I'm not saying it matters, I am saying its funny and I will mercilessly ridicule the Reagan Revolution Ultra-Warrior Warren for being both a deceptive snake AND how she was made to look like a complete fool by none other than Donald Trump. Her hilarious self own, getting goaded into a DNA test and revealing that her Native American WoC act was all bogus is just hilarious.

[Levelfive]

I mean the actual Native Americans can be as upset as they want to be but really the best takeaway is Warren the Snake becoming a complete laughing stock. Especially now after she eviscerated what little reputation and credibility she had, now she is just some pathetic untrustworthy serpent who hasn't moved much from her Reagan Revolution era roots. She is the thinking mans Pete Buttigieg and always was, but for awhile ran a good con that most of the Jacobin take makers went for. One a few voices out there saw her for what she was.

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I love how yours and by extension Milcshake's jab at me I guess is to claim "Psstt, people who criticize us are poor and not important movers and shakers". But hey, that's what the Democratic Party is now, it serves the class of people for whom wealth and social status are important measures of a humans worth. In short, there could be no dunk more Neo-Liberal in political nature than that one. But thank you for confirming my take on the DNC for me.

Your self-ownage is delicious.

Not sure where you get "poor" out of that when it reads like pampered, small-spirited, and bitter.

[beanman12345]

Why am I not surprised the guy who lied saying he would have voted for Biden if only Warren was on the ticket is now attacking her a week later on native american's behalf, actually just theo's behalf. How desperate.

[Bodakane]

I'm not saying it matters, I am saying its funny and I will mercilessly ridicule the Reagan Revolution Ultra-Warrior Warren for being both a deceptive snake AND how she was made to look like a complete fool by none other than Donald Trump. Her hilarious self own, getting goaded into a DNA test and revealing that her Native American WoC act was all bogus is just hilarious.

The bold contradicts the underlined.

Why is that you NEVER post about any of the things that trump lied about that actually matters?

[Theodarzna]

The bold contradicts the underlined.

Why is that you NEVER post about any of the things that trump lied about that actually matters?

Matters means its important, its not. It's just hilarious. Like Ben Shapiro admitting he has never sexually satisfied his wife. It doesn't matter, its just really funny.

[downnola]

I'm not saying it matters, I am saying its funny and I will mercilessly ridicule the Reagan Revolution Ultra-Warrior Warren for being both a deceptive snake AND how she was made to look like a complete fool by none other than Donald Trump. Her hilarious self own, getting goaded into a DNA test and revealing that her Native American WoC act was all bogus is just hilarious.

Reagan Revolution Ultra-Warrior Warren.

Words have no meaning anymore if Elizabeth fucking Warren is a neolib free marketer in bed with corporations. You'd have to go out of your way to ignore her history of going after corporations, banks, and the mega-wealthy. Other than maybe Sanders, name a single politician advocating for a wealth tax, breaking up big tech monopolies, and separating consumer banking from securities trading. If that's Reaganism then we're just assigning meaning to words at random.

[beanman12345]

You all are saying there isn't a huge outrage from Native American groups, but it was a dumb move, and tone deaf which is all I ever claimed. No one is outraged. It was a dumb move and gave fodder to the GOP. You remember that they two parties are in race with one another don't.

Also for the last fucking time, don't' assume to speak for me. I was never speaking on Behalf of Native Americans. I would never claim to be one, unlike the person who had falsely claimed it for years. That, they did care about, so to think none would care, because it didn't reach you is moronic.

https://www.indianz.com/News/2018/10...n-warren-r.asp



That was two years ago. Sorry it was an out of touch move. That's my opinion. I am allowed to have that right? Or should I contact my local tribe first?

Also I still like Warren. Once again, my critic of a politician has nothing to do with your partisan views on the subject. Catch a clue.

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Because I would still be voting for Biden if he picked Warren. My critic of the moment has zero to do with that. My god you people are so stuck in your bubble it's laughable.

ROFL looks like the truth hit your nerve.

[Benggaul]

Also for the last fucking time, don't' assume to speak for me. I was never speaking on Behalf of Native Americans. I would never claim to be one, unlike the person who had falsely claimed it for years. That, they did care about, so to think none would care, because it didn't reach you is moronic.

Pretty sure Edge was talking about themself. Maybe if you eased the throttle back on your "righteous indignation" you might pick up on things like that.

EDIT: Or not. Looks like it might have been both. Either way, it's a pointless amount of rage directed at a pointless argument.

[Theodarzna]

Reagan Revolution Ultra-Warrior Warren.

Words have no meaning anymore if Elizabeth fucking Warren is a neolib free marketer in bed with corporations. You'd have to go out of your way to ignore her history of going after corporations, banks, and the mega-wealthy. Other than maybe Sanders, name a single politician advocating for a wealth tax and separating consumer banking from securities trading. If that's Reaganism then we're just assigning meaning to words at random.

Do you not know Elizabeth Warrens history? She was a heritage foundation girl until the mid-90's, switching over only during Clinton's transformation of the Democratic Party into a Neo-Liberal party. And if you look at her entire platform and policy goals, its all entirely market oriented technocracy. She literally fought for the Reagan Revolution and switched parties once the Dems had essentially adopted Reaganomics. More over most of her policies, while better than anything the dems typically conjure are still pitiful. She caved on Health care in five seconds flat, adopting the access and affordability schtick which means jack all nothing.

Hell, don't take Theo the Devil's word for it, I know that's no good here, let's listen to Warren's own words on why her political party allegiance changed,

"I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets. I think that is not true anymore. I was a Republican at a time when I felt like there was a problem that the markets were under a lot more strain. It worried me whether or not the government played too activist a role."

(source)

She later tried to claim she was apolitical at the time, but she was part of the heritage foundation and penned papers for it during the Reagan years, hard to be an apolitical heritage foundation lady. So claiming she was a Reagan Revolution Warrior is as a matter of historical fact. Once more her COP didn't do anything, it was at best a symbolic gesture.

And while I'll give her credit her work managed to get “$12 billion for 29 million consumers in refunds and canceled debts.” which compared to Biden, makes her look like Fidel Castro, its basically wholly dwarfed by the fact that due to interest ect Americans paid nearly $113 billion in credit interest in 2018 just by itself. Even her sales pitch for the COB is entirely in keeping with the Reaganite love of markets, its about making markets work good, not bad. Warren's politics are in essence a Neo-Liberal and entirely technocratic view of the world, that its just about managing the market forces that will rule our lives. And in the end even Wall Street came around and found her acceptable.

Describing Warren as a Reagan Revolution Warrior, is a matter of historical fact. Describing her politics as Neo-Liberal is not even a controversial slight, she is a Market Lady, who trusts in the Market as a guiding force in society. She fundamentally believes in the Market in ideological terms. She might be less craven, evil and corrupt than Biden, but that doesn't make my description of her incorrect. Neo-Liberal doesn't mean evil, well to me the two things are the same but I have zero faith in "The Market", but in purely objective terms it describes a Pro-Market person in basic simple terms.

[draynay]

Why are people waxing on about Warren? Who cares?

[Gestopft]

@Theodarzna oh, the horrors of Warren preferring a well regulated market instead of being a actual socialist. What a terrible thing to behold from the second or third leftmost Senator on economic issues...

I almost feel bad for you from your perspective: having to choose between the Dems’ “performative wokeness” and the GOP’s corporate/market worship. Must be tough. I hope you realize that a Democratic Congress/administration is going to far better at making this a better country for working people than a GOP one will be at fighting the fucking culture war.

Also I accurately described her.

Except you vastly oversimplified it and missed the part where she had a change of opinion because of the research she did.

[Theodarzna]

Because some of us called it dumb and laughable, and people are defending it.

Much like when Ben Shapiro admitted his wife has never been aroused by him, and only his fans came to his defense, it seems only the uber Democrat thinks nobody should laugh at what is legitimately a funny self-own on the part of Warren. Also I accurately described her.