Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[JohnBrown1917]

If Biden was right of center, there would be no chance that Trump wins, simply because there would be far more people close to his ideology, than of a farther extreme right of Trump.

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You underestimate how far right the US is.

And the peace treaty means nothing to all the drone strikes/bombings and the war in Yemen. Not to mention his time in the Senate before that, does the Iraq war ring any bells?


You can talk about how much Biden is the lesser evil, I won't disagree. But denying his warmongering past? That is just straight up dem propaganda. Biden was known as the most conservative/right-wing dem in the senate for a reason.

[Daelak]

Since polls always seem to be wrong as they are more about pushing "their" candidate or philosophy I will usually go w/the betting odds. Last I checked they all had Trump in w/a significant margin. That being said though 2016 they had the same for Clinton.

So just like every election I will cast my vote and hope for the best.

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I think that is because he went further left IMO.

I love it when conservatives, feeling so insecure and inferior that they can't understand basic statistics, call all polling rigged and pointing to a grand conspiracy that spans entire countries, polling firms, and the polling respondents themselves.

[ati87]

Suddenly got a 2016 flashback, what was it again Trump is unable to win he would never be able to become president not in a million years.

I think the biggest issue with the 2016 polls are the revisionist historians.

[Lenonis]

To convince your family opponents start working in concepts of evolution

BZZZZZZZZZZZT. Congrats you've already failed.

That's what makes humans separate from animals.

BZZZZZZZZZZZT. Congrats you failed again. There is a different reason why humans are separate from animals. Hint -- it's in a book I can't discuss on these forums.

Secondly, teach the family members who disagrees with you about Karl Popper's

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Not interested in learning about the evil known as "philosophy." There is one place to go for what is right and wrong and it isn't Karl Popper.

The truth is the vast majority of people have never actually looked into these 'how' and 'why' questions

BZZZZZZZZZT. You fail to realize many people AREN'T INTERESTED in looking into these because they already know the answers.

All you've done in your attempts to look morally superior is just show to me you don't have a clue about how people work. So...BZZZZZZZZZZZZT to you and your wall of utterly useless text.

[cubby]

Trump really fears Biden.
It's the reason he went around bribing and threatening people and entire countries (Ukraine) for dirt on Biden.
His fear of Biden is what got him impeached.

Things like putting Florida in play is why voters got behind Biden.

Exactly. Biden by himself puts every battleground state into play, and a few of the southern/eastern states trouble spots. Picking a non-white female running mate will galvanize the entire DNC - even if for no other reason that to be galvanized (like an emotional/political snowball effect).

The GOP's only hope at this point is two-fold. Voter suppression in key states/counties, like we saw in WI - or BARRing that (yes, I went there), they will outright steal those same states/counties through key GOP SecStates and County Commissioners.

Nov 3 and the days leading up to and after will be some of the most important days in our country's history.

[Edge-]

Who is Briahna Joy Gray?

She seems like a good person:

She's Sanders former spokeswoman. And apparently a bit of a piece of shit - https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/stat...89642777571328

Goes after Harris, well after the race is over, for tweeting support for free coronavirus testing and treatment. For what sin? Because she apparently wants people with cancer and diabetes to die. Few problems with this -

1. Harris supports M4A. Not exactly Sanders exact plan, but she supports it and supported it during her campaign - https://www.vox.com/2019/7/29/893325...vate-insurance

So this is Shaun King levels of stupid when he went after one of the co-sponsors of a M4A bill for...not supporting M4A.

2. Sanders mother died of cancer after a long struggle, and they were not rich when Harris was growing up. This is monumentally ignorant and tone-deaf, and she's rightfully being dragged by pretty much everyone for being an insensitive bitch more interested in scoring social media political points than being informed.

3. Again, literally irrelevant. This is just her being spiteful and hateful to try to score "gotcha" points and add to her wall of "totes sick burns I did on Twitter/Insta today"

So naw, I'm not gonna listen to her uninformed, unhinged rants. I'm pretty cool without that, thanks.

Though I will say this after reading the first sentence: Encouraging others to refuse to compromise? Man, where the hell have we heard this befor-oh right, that sounds totally Tea Party/Freedom Caucus-esque, and those are totes the kinds of people I'd want to saddle up with.

Progressives appear to be doing their damndest to boost Republicans for the next election, and it's weird as fuck.

[Endus]

Seems a bit misconstrued to treat one unhappy even if neutral tweet as some sort of heinous attack that describes her character.

What is the most important in that message:
"We should not just start handing out free healthcare during a crises but always"
-or-
"Kamilla Harris is being attacked!"

I think there might be something off with the people who decide to focus on the latter.

Also, why would it be wrong to try and get Biden more towards the left?

They're very much willing to compromise, -if- Biden is willing to take on some more left policies... which he currently refuses to do. So it appears to me as if Biden is the one who is unwilling to compromise here.

The tweet only makes sense if she presumes that Harris was saying that "Testing and treatment for only coronavirus needs to be free." That bold and underlined word I added clearly changes the position, into an implicit argument against universal healthcare. And it's not what Harris said. Implying that she did is dishonest as fuck, and as someone who's worked in political campaigning, Gray should have fucking known that.

There is no way to draw the implication Gray drew from what Harris actually said. It's a bullshit attempt at a "gotcha" that involves essentially lying about what Harris said.

That it's a lie that cluelessly attacks Harris and further implies a lack of consideration for Harris' own mother just makes it worse.

[Felya]

We can not judge a person by one unhappy tweet they made of which we don't even know the underlying intents or purpose.

Claiming that we can judge a person by one tweet would be very idiotic.

What if said judgment was made in a tweet, would it still be “very idiotic”?

[Endus]

We can not judge a person by one unhappy tweet they made of which we don't even know the underlying intents or purpose.

Claiming that we can judge a person by one tweet would be very idiotic.

1> Given that she lied, in that tweet, to malign someone for something they never said, we absolutely can.

2> This is literally what Gray was doing, herself. Why is it fair for her to judge Harris (ignoring that it was slanderously dishonest for the moment), but not fair for us to judge Gray in the same manner?

[Felya]

I'm rejecting it as an argument. Feel free to provide others though.

His argument is the same as yours, judging people based on one tweet is very idiotic. Why is that bad, just minutes after you emphasized “very idiotic”?

[Endus]

So her message of wanting M4A is a bad thing now?

Well, at least we can tell why you're backing Gray so hard; you're willing to engage in the same dishonest strategy of making shit up and pretending it's what someone said.

Because I never said anything like that. There's no way to get even that implication out of my posts. You're just being slanderous and baiting me.

Come drop the bullshit. If the only argument against her you have is one unhappy tweet in which she is encouraging other Democrats to push for more left-ish policies, then that is a very weak argument.

I'm rejecting it as an argument. Feel free to provide others though.

Go back and read my posts.

My issue was her willfully misrepresenting Harris' stance and argument, to slander Harris.

I don't give her a pass on that dishonesty because of her ideological goal. I don't overlook unethical behaviour just because it's supposedly on "my side".

[Endus]

Okay, so now what?

Still seems pretty dumb to judge someone over one ambiguous tweet.

1> That's literally what Gray did (except it's worse, because she had to lie about that tweet to imagine-up the supposed "ambiguity")

2> Why? She lied about what Harris said. That's not "ambiguous", and it's perfectly legitimate to judge someone a liar for lying. Particularly if they later defend the lie; https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/stat...104708?lang=en

[JohnBrown1917]

We can not judge a person by one unhappy tweet they made of which we don't even know the underlying intents or purpose.

Claiming that we can judge a person by one tweet would be very idiotic.

Left-wing people who want free healthcare and don't support conservatives - Bad.
Everybody else - good(As long as they lick Biden's boots).


when will you people learn!?




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But yeah, calling politicians out over only supporting free corona-care should be done. Its pure PR for those fucks if they fight against universal healthcare at the same time as saying anything related to corona should be free.

[Edge-]

Left-wing people who want free healthcare and don't support conservatives - Bad.

Literally not a part of this discussion. You're taking a page from Gray's book and making some shit up.

[JohnBrown1917]

Literally not a part of this discussion. You're taking a page from Gray's book and making some shit up.

whatever dude, you all do this everytime people like Gray shit on your favorite right-wing politicians.
Nobody is buying this shit.


Aside from your fellow liberal-conservatives.

[ShakesForPRide]

Lol vindication for me and @Elegiac.

We kept pointing out how toxic Bri was to the Sanders campaign.

Now she's basically a Fox News copypasta machine.

[Edge-]

whatever dude, you all do this everytime people like Gray shit on your favorite right-wing politicians.

Harris ain't right wing, and she's not even one of my "favorite politicians".

And none of that changes the fact that Gray was objectively wrong in her accusation and so are you.

[Machismo]

Lol vindication for me and @Elegiac.

We kept pointing out how toxic Bri was to the Sanders campaign.

Now she's basically a Fox News copypasta machine.

Who is Bri?

Edit: nevermind

[Machismo]

There was no accusation. She posed a question.

Has Harris ever answered on the question?

A normal person would've answered with "You're right!" not with "No, fuck the poor," - which is basically what you seem to be doing right now.

Where did she say, "Fuck the poor?"

Or, are you doing the exact same thing others are saying Gray is doing? Oops.

[Theodarzna]

This is objectively entirely false.

She was commenting on something. She wasn't judging Harris. Or forming an opinion about Harris.



This is also false. It is very ambiguous. Her tweet could just as well be read as: "great, but let's do more".
I'm not seeing what you're supposedly seeing in that message. It comes across as if you and Edge are arguing that Harris was attacked with some sort of "YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON FOR SUGGESTING THIS!"-type of comment. That sort of comment simply isn't there, no matter how hard you are trying to discredit progressives to protect ultra-capitalist centrist democrats.

Also, it feels a bit ridiculous to have this back-and-forth discussion over a tweet that was pulled out of who knows where.

What is perhaps most fascinating is that some people who post here, if you read across many posts seems to occupy two conflicting positions:

Position One: That the democratic party is pragmatic, incremental and people shouldn't expect too much from it. That politics is messy and compromise has to happen and its unreasonable for these socialists Lefties to expect anything expensive, difficult, or groundbreaking from them.

AND

Position Two: You the voter must have a fanatical zeal for the Democratic Party despite likely never seeing your political goals realized, you cannot ever be critical and must adopt a view and attitude that everything the DNC and Dems do is for the best, was the best option, and that Dems and the DNC are a Light unto America, and its greatest crystallization of all that is good in the United States. To say otherwise is helping the enemy.

So we both cannot expect a Universal Health Care program in our lifetimes, but to point out that we are never getting that Universal Healthcare program is a sin and heresy against The Party. What we have here is an unthinking fanboy. You have to both accept that the Democrats won't give or seriously advocate for the policies you and Leftists want, but also you must display a level of enthusiastic love of that party as if it actually was going to do the things you want.

In another way, you both have to stay with a cheating abusive boyfriend, but also outwardly and inwardly feel for that boyfriend as if he were Gods gift to you. This is a bonkers view of politics that only fanatically fanboyism can produce.

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There was no accusation. She posed a question.

Has Harris ever answered on the question?

A normal person would've answered with "You're right!" not with "No, fuck the poor," - which is basically what you seem to be doing right now.

How anyone could read Gray's tweet as an "accusation", I mean, is anyone allowed to criticize any Democrat ever on anything?