Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[eschatological]

He literally can't do Warren. She's almost as old as him, and brings nothing to the ticket except maybe bring progressives in line (which is not what you really need to do in a GE). She didn't even win her own state in the Dem primaries (hell, she wasn't even the runner up).

Hopefully the Rice you're referring to is Susan Rice, and not Condi Rice. Because Condi Rice would be disastrous.

[Elegiac]

He literally can't do Warren. She's almost as old as him, and brings nothing to the ticket except maybe bring progressives in line (which is not what you really need to do in a GE). She didn't even win her own state in the Dem primaries (hell, she wasn't even the runner up).

Hopefully the Rice you're referring to is Susan Rice, and not Condi Rice. Because Condi Rice would be disastrous.

I'm honestly baffled why Condi was even mentioned in the first place.

Like are we seriously that at a loss for prominent women of color that we're looking at war criminal Republicans?

[Ursus]

Minor VP update: while there haven't been new VP leaks for a while, Biden just did an interview where he said (somewhat incoherently) that there are now "four black women" left on his shortlist, and that his vetting committee has "gone through about four candidates so far, and two are (still?) vetting", whatever that means. This does clear up exactly which women of color are still being considered, and also that his list is no longer or shorter than six:

-Kamala
-Bottoms (ATL Mayor)
-Demings (FL Rep)
-Rice

As far as white people go:
-Warren
-??? (probably Grisham, but lets be real here if a white woman gets it it's Warren)

All others appear to have been eliminated already. At least Biden himself went on the record now instead of "leaks" from his camp, and he will ultimately make the decision. He'll get a final vetting report from his committee soon and should be announcing his pick in a couple of weeks!

Warren(!) and Kamala are polling the best out of everyone, but obviously most people don't know who most of the candidates are. Here's a recent poll, but all others I've seen pretty much say the same thing. Biden has far more sophisticated data than these simple polls, but it might still be interesting for us plebs to consider.

I love Warren, but if Biden picks her for VP, it would be a huge mistake imo. Out of the women being considered, I think choosing her would probably do the least to shore up support for Biden. Also, MA has a Republican governor, who would almost certainly appoint a Republican to take her place in the Senate. Considering it is very possible the balance of the Senate might come down to that, it's not worth the risk.

[cubby]

Minor VP update: while there haven't been new VP leaks for a while, Biden just did an interview where he said (somewhat incoherently) that there are now "four black women" left on his shortlist, and that his vetting committee has "gone through about four candidates so far, and two are (still?) vetting", whatever that means. This does clear up exactly which women of color are still being considered, and also that his list is no longer or shorter than six:

-Kamala
-Bottoms (ATL Mayor)
-Demings (FL Rep)
-Rice

As far as white people go:
-Warren
-??? (probably Grisham, but lets be real here if a white woman gets it it's Warren)

All others appear to have been eliminated already. At least Biden himself went on the record now instead of "leaks" from his camp, and he will ultimately make the decision. He'll get a final vetting report from his committee soon and should be announcing his pick in a couple of weeks!

Warren(!) and Kamala are polling the best out of everyone, but obviously most people don't know who most of the candidates are. Here's a recent poll, but all others I've seen pretty much say the same thing. Biden has far more sophisticated data than these simple polls, but it might still be interesting for us plebs to consider.

Warren is entirely out of the VP nomination. Her ascension to VP if Biden wins could flip the Senate back to red if the Democrats manage to flip it (Mass Gov is GOP).

And Abrams isn't even on the list any more. Interesting.

It's gotta be Harris or Demmings. No way Rice (either one) - too much baggage. Bottoms is interesting...same reasons for her as Abrams, generally speaking.

Can you link the "somewhat incoherent" interview. Just curious why you had to include that part of your information. Totally irrelevant.

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I love Warren, but if Biden picks her for VP, it would be a huge mistake imo. Out of the women being considered, I think choosing her would probably do the least to shore up support for Biden. Also, MA has a Republican governor, who would almost certainly appoint a Republican to take her place in the Senate. Considering it is very possible the balance of the Senate might come down to that, it's not worth the risk.

He almost literally can't pick her. It would jeapardize the Senate. He can't wait until after the election, either - so she's a solid no.

She has to know this, too. President for sure - she was my first choice. But not VP - other good candidates. AND she would make a great Senate Pro Temp, Senate Majority Leader, and/or Chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Personally, I would have loved her for SecTreas, if not for VP.

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He literally can't do Warren. She's almost as old as him, and brings nothing to the ticket except maybe bring progressives in line (which is not what you really need to do in a GE). She didn't even win her own state in the Dem primaries (hell, she wasn't even the runner up).

Hopefully the Rice you're referring to is Susan Rice, and not Condi Rice. Because Condi Rice would be disastrous.

Plus the Senate.

Both Rice's are poor choices - despite my contrary statement awhile back.

[Thelxi]

Warren is entirely out of the VP nomination. Her ascension to VP if Biden wins could flip the Senate back to red if the Democrats manage to flip it (Mass Gov is GOP).

And Abrams isn't even on the list any more. Interesting.

It's gotta be Harris or Demmings. No way Rice (either one) - too much baggage. Bottoms is interesting...same reasons for her as Abrams, generally speaking.

Can you link the "somewhat incoherent" interview. Just curious why you had to include that part of your information. Totally irrelevant.

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He almost literally can't pick her. It would jeapardize the Senate. He can't wait until after the election, either - so she's a solid no.

She has to know this, too. President for sure - she was my first choice. But not VP - other good candidates. AND she would make a great Senate Pro Temp, Senate Majority Leader, and/or Chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Personally, I would have loved her for SecTreas, if not for VP.

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Plus the Senate.

Both Rice's are poor choices - despite my contrary statement awhile back.

Here you go.

Couple of things. First of all I wouldn't worry about baggage. The whole point of vetting is to make sure they don't have "too much baggage". You can safely assume that the women on this final shortlist are cleared by the best investigators, analysts and strategists in the business. Whatever you can think of they have thought of and spent dozens of hours on with full access to everything.

Second, Warren is absolutely still in the running. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, but she is still up there with the rest of them. Think about it this way: if Warren wasn't still a candidate, Biden would have no problem committing to a woman of color.

Also Abrams was never in the running. She never made it to the vetting process. There is a tiny chance that she is one of the last two people still being vetted right now (meaning they started the vetting process much later than the others, no more than a few weeks ago), but I don't want to give you false hope. The last two are likely Grisham and Rice.

[PACOX]

Shocking absolutely no one:
Republican leaders vow to fill a potential Supreme Court vacancy this year, despite some apprehension

Just another reminder that progressives and centrist Democrats need to look at the bigger picture for at least this election.

Imagine being someone who people are hoping dies in the next 6 months so they can shoe in another patsy.

Imagine how it must feel to be the badass who refuses to succumb to their wishes.

[arandomuser]

Do you guys believe this? I dont know why this was so triggering, probably because its true you have alot of bernie bro class reductionist who went full maga recently after bernie got obliterated in the primaries, the good thing is twitter isnt real life and biden is riden in the polls

[eschatological]

You should always mouseover the dude's name in a tweet to see who the fuck he is. That's why this is being passed around as a screenshot. He's one of Peter Thiel's venture capitalist goons.

[Elegiac]

Do you guys believe this? I dont know why this was so triggering, probably because its true you have alot of bernie bro class reductionist who went full maga recently after bernie got obliterated in the primaries, the good thing is twitter isnt real life and biden is riden in the polls

*looks at the account tweeting*

Them's the director of Peter Thiel's investment firm. Fuck no I don't believe it.

[PACOX]

Harris - Biden has his crime bill chain that he is tugging around. Harris is too far removed from that system. She isn't the kind of cops that Republicans applaud and was part of an institution that some Dems want to get rid of. Not the best sell.

Rice - Obama's cop. You're not going to win over too many Republicans when you put one of their boogeymen on the ticket. She intimidates the Right. A black Hilary Clinton to some of them (doesn't matter how idiotic it is thats what they think) except maybe even more 'deep state' as someone who has always worked in the government but never held an elected position. A double standard that Republicans don't care how many times you bring it up. Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.

Demings - LOVE HER. I think she is the 'cop' that can actually work the 'cop who will reform the system" angle. A well known name in FL, I don't think she can win it because FL is full of a bunch of partisan hacks who will protest vote against her so 'the Dems don't take FL from us'. It would become her vs Trump in Florida and Trump wins that easily.

Abrams - I used to like Abrams. She has done A LOT of good for voter awareness. Then she went establishment Dem to me, which actually means she would probably has the shortest path when it comes to winning over Dems and Repubs in the middle.

Theres one lady who ticks all the cute little boxes people want to fill in:

Woman - [x]
POC -[x]
Executive experience - [X]
Associated with Obama - [X]
Military background - [X]
Prominent Democrat - [X]
American Hero - [X]

Talking about Tammy Duckworth. A gahdamn living breathing unsung national treasure. A true public servant for the people who comes from a line of public servants. She gave birth while in office - only a superhhero does that.
You want someone strong on healthcare. She's the one. Someone who speaks to the vets and knows a thing or two about foreign affairs, she's your lady. Someone who respected on both sides of the aisle, shes the one. Someone with a bleeding heart patriotic testimony, ask about Tammy Duckworth.

Unfortunately she has always been more about activism than name recognition. A lot of people simply don't know who is, which could be a good 'whoa who is this lady coming out of leftfield' or simply 'who?'

[arandomuser]

You should always mouseover the dude's name in a tweet to see who the fuck he is. That's why this is being passed around as a screenshot. He's one of Peter Thiel's venture capitalist goons.

True i knew alot about him and his "IDW movement" they all seem to be in some way associated with peter thiel, i just screenshooted it instead of twitter since people dont like clicking links, and hes basically like one of these people that says " oh no see im on the left but ima REAL leftists and the DNC/democrats are actually fake liberals" thing, but hes basically a conservative from what ive seen from what he actually views because he basically just supports trump and says BS things like biden wants to defund the police, which even FOX news! debunked! or that biden is mentally ill even after he crushed his preffered candidate bernie in MULTIPLE debates, i just cant stand their whole grift

[eschatological]

The Intellectual Dark Web is neither Intellectual, nor Dark, and it originated in fucking oak-paneled studies with red leather armchairs with snifters of brandy on the side table, so it's not really a Web thing either.

Those douchebags just want to capture an internet generation of young angry white men who don't want to think they're irrational anti-intellectuals.

[downnola]

Do you guys believe this? I dont know why this was so triggering, probably because its true you have alot of bernie bro class reductionist who went full maga recently after bernie got obliterated in the primaries, the good thing is twitter isnt real life and biden is riden in the polls

Trump is every bit, if not more, senile than Biden. Also, why would "experimenting w non-policing" turn someone away from Biden when he flat out opposes abolishing the police? Those Weinstein guys have lost their damn minds.

Furthermore, I don't believe anyone who claims to be left-leaning and ends up voting for Trump after the circus extravaganza we've endured over the last four years. Either they're confused and not left-leaning as they thought, or they're extremely salty about Sanders losing the nomination and want to "own the libs."

[Shadowferal]

Well, I've long posted that Harris probably has this locked. As long as she avoids anything crazy...

Much as I like Warren I can't imagine that Biden wants any more of a difficulty with that part of Congress. The House is likely locked blue. But the Senate...I can see a gain of blue of two seats. I'm skeptical of any more gains there. And Democrats aren't always united there, and does at time rely on a few Republican defections.

[RadasNoir]

...they're extremely salty about Sanders losing the nomination and want to "own the libs."

In which case, they are little better than the Republicans they supposedly stand against, anyway.

[Kokolums]

Traditionally, vice presidents are people that have proven to be able to win a federal election so that if they eventually ran for President they wouldn't be trying to do it for the first time. That qualification means it is Harris or Demmings. But Harris won a federal election in California, which is pretty worthless since California is so far left. Demmings won a federal election in Florida which is a swing state. Demmings would be my bet to be veep but she's an ex-cop. Then again, Harris is basically a cop and Susan Rice is basically a cop too.

I will place my on Keisha Bottoms. Maybe being a mayor during covid has more pull then winning a federal election. Bottoms was on the Biden train super early. She's not a cop.

[Astalnar]

I love coming to this thread, and seeing that the meltdown, after almost 4 years of constant Trump hatred is still as real as it was years ago.

It's fascinating. Antifa / BLM are destroying your cities, burning down your churches, looting your local stores, while the Dem Mayors and Governors sit idly and watch the fires.

And you people think Trump is going to lose?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

What I find funny, is people blaming it on Berniebros who would supposedly vote for Trump. The same Berniebros who were caught on tape saying that if Sanders is not the nomniee, they'll burn the country to ashes. Berniebros are not voting for Trump, they are the ones doing the burning. They're antifa. But by their actions they sure are making a lot of other people who even two months ago thought they'd neve vote for Trump, to vote for him.

Why? Because unlike the Dems, Trump actually openly states, he's for the "Law and Order".

You can think whatever you want, but think for a second what does your regular Karen thinks when she watches MSNBC, sees the burning and pillaging being callled peaceful protest, Dems fighting to defund and abolish police, and then a short clip from "racist" and "dictator" Trump saying he wants law and order.
[Infraction]

[Machismo]

I love coming to this thread, and seeing that the meltdown, after almost 4 years of constant Trump hatred is still as real as it was years ago.

It's fascinating. Antifa / BLM are destroying your cities, burning down your churches, looting your local stores, while the Dem Mayors and Governors sit idly and watch the fires.

And you people think Trump is going to lose?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

What I find funny, is people blaming it on Berniebros who would supposedly vote for Trump. The same Berniebros who were caught on tape saying that if Sanders is not the nomniee, they'll burn the country to ashes. Berniebros are not voting for Trump, they are the ones doing the burning. They're antifa. But by their actions they sure are making a lot of other people who even two months ago thought they'd neve vote for Trump, to vote for him.

Why? Because unlike the Dems, Trump actually openly states, he's for the "Law and Order".

You can think whatever you want, but think for a second what does your regular Karen thinks when she watches MSNBC, sees the burning and pillaging being callled peaceful protest, Dems fighting to defund and abolish police, and then a short clip from "racist" and "dictator" Trump saying he wants law and order.

I loved watching you contradict yourself in the very same sentence.

[Ghostpanther]

Well, I've long posted that Harris probably has this locked. As long as she avoids anything crazy...

Much as I like Warren I can't imagine that Biden wants any more of a difficulty with that part of Congress. The House is likely locked blue. But the Senate...I can see a gain of blue of two seats. I'm skeptical of any more gains there. And Democrats aren't always united there, and does at time rely on a few Republican defections.

I agree. But she has did something to her face.....Botox or plastic surgery? Not sure, but she certainly looks different.

And I also agree, that the Democrats will keep control of the House, with the Republicans picking up a few seats. The Senate will remain in control of the Republicans, but the Democrats will pick up one or two seats. Just my unprofessional guess.

I still think the Election itself for President, will be a very close one. Maybe even as close as 2000 was.

[Felya]

In which case, they are little better than the Republicans they supposedly stand against, anyway.

Worse... owning the libs by Bernie supporters is a lot worse than Trump trolls doing it.

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I agree. But she has did something to her face.....Botox or plastic surgery? Not sure, but she certainly looks different.

I bet she cakes on pounds of orange make up...