Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Forogil]

Exactly. His campaign directly and I directly have lost every case so far due to hearsay and lack of evidence. His lawyers got bitch slapped in Detroit when they tried to argue that they heard something from someone else was evidence and not hearsay.

Actually to the lawyer Lionel Hutz is sort of correct: hearsay is "kind" of evidence.

However, hearsay evidence is normally not admissible evidence in the US.

[Mihalik]

What's scary is that the democrats dragged all 3 of Trump's scotus appointments through the mud. And then Biden threatened to destroy their careers by packing the court. Now Biden may have to grovel at their feet to get the white house. The scotus may ultimately decide Biden is just too dangerous to be allowed to have the Presidency if they can just award these states to Trump and be done with it.

"This guy hurt my feelings and said he might do something that is 100% legal to do which dilute my power. Guess it's time to abolish democracy!"

Wut?

[ranzino]

Why for the rest of his life? What would that do?

at lest not the elaborated detail the sitting President (or for importance the President-elect) is entitled to.

[Breccia]

Last I looked Presidents can still not pardon state charges. SDNY is waiting.

Agreed, but it would take care of many other things, such as Hatch Act violations.

Actually in retrospect, the Hatch Act is kind of stupid. The President isn't affected and can pardon anyone who is.

[alexw]

One of the most amazing, tone deaf things I keep hearing on the networks is trump should be proud the republican party did well. Donald Trump does not give a fuck about the party, or anything else for that matter. There is zero chance he handles any of this with grace and we know hes going to burn as much of it down as he can on the way out.

Yep. I think he's going to make it much harder for them to win the Georgia senate runoffs as a result of that.

He'll make crazy decisions and lash out, blaming everyone and everything including establishment republicans.

There's already talk of him purging the federal bureaucracy of people who haven't been subservient enough. So, for example, the heads of the intelligence services because they didn't launch of fictitious investigation of Biden in order to help Trump get re-elected.

[Valdhammer]

What's scary is that the democrats dragged all 3 of Trump's scotus appointments through the mud. And then Biden threatened to destroy their careers by packing the court. Now Biden may have to grovel at their feet to get the white house. The scotus may ultimately decide Biden is just too dangerous to be allowed to have the Presidency if they can just award these states to Trump and be done with it.

I wonder what needs to happen to a person in his or her life to post something like this without a hint of irony.

[Mihalik]

OK.

I think we're at the point where someone needs to take the nuclear codes away from Trump.

[Omega10]

So how much of the world do people think will end up celebrating when the election finally gets called in Bidens favor?

It won't be so much a celebration as a relief. And people shaking their heads that THIS is what America has come down to

[Rustedsaint]

Why for the rest of his life? What would that do?

Former presidents get security detail for the rest of their life’s. Incase some wanna be terroist or thug wants to make a name for themselves.

[Timester]

OK.

I think we're at the point where someone needs to take the nuclear codes away from Trump.

We are the point that he needs to be locked up inside a white room, with no access to the exterior world.

[Kathranis]

I think both PA and GA are going recount... the closest we get to a confirm, is NV and AZ.

GA, the only real reason not to call it are the overseas mail-in ballots which could conceivably tighten the gap back to within a few thousand votes, but even after those it's extremely unlikely a recount would tip it for Trump unless nearly all remaining votes went to him.

The margin in PA may or may not grow enough to prevent an automatic recount, but it's well beyond the point of a recount realistically making any difference. And the outstanding provisional ballots should trend with the rest of the state since there's nothing unique about them, they're just ballots set aside because they could potentially be invalid for technical reasons.

I can understand the hesitation to call GA, but there's really no reason not to call PA now. FOX and the AP called AZ when it was way less solid for Biden than PA currently is.

AZ and NV aren't really even in question at this point. In fact with the AP and FOX sticking to the AZ call, NV alone clinches it for Biden, GA and PA are just icing on the cake.

WI and MI margins are also well beyond the point of a recount making a difference and have been called for Biden since Wednesday.


Trump's attempts to characterize votes received or counted after election day as illegal is a desperate Hail Mary with absolutely no legal foundation that even Republican officials are fighting back on.

At this point the only way he wins by votes is if he somehow selectively purges large numbers of ballots for Biden, and I have yet to see any lawsuit or legal strategy proposed that could achieve that. Claims of fraud, glitches, etc. so far are entirely unsubstantiated.

And winning by decision in the SCOTUS would mean ignoring clear election results in multiple states. I'm not saying it's impossible but it would so thoroughly undermine the democratic process that I frankly can't even fathom it actually happening, nor can I fathom why any Justice would risk so much just to keep Trump in office for four more years. Their careers and long term goals go way beyond the next four years.

And it's not like there wouldn't be tremendous push back on all of this, from Democrats and Republicans alike. There's already fracturing in the Republican party over Trump's false fraud allegations and claims of victory.

[fwc577]

Apparently, I'm late to the party, but I just saw this ad while flipping through youtube live news coverage and I legit thought it was a spoof ad because the quality was actually below SNL and it seemed like a joke.


I feel like they need to make a Biden bear. But make it like an actual spoof, and you can find ballots protected by the hidden zipper.

[alexw]

This is getting ridiculous, now I’m reading about an audit in PA. It needs to be called, and anyone on Trump’s team that wants to even save themselves from this embarrassment, needs to distance themselves from him and not support his claims of a scandal. Just slip away in the night, guys...

They are a mixture of mostly grifters and criminals, if Trump goes away their money tap gets turned off as does their protection from criminal prosecution.

There's no way they are going to slink away quietly. They will fight until they can't fight anymore.

[Timester]

The reason why the election wasnt called is pretty simple, the networks cant have a narrative of "all votes matter" and calling a winner at the same time.

[Sunseeker]

Too late. It's been a massive embarassment since day 1.

Further, and I'm replying to you since I'm tired of Winter's faux-care; we can't let them. We need to nail the fact that these people supported Trump's blatant assault on America to their foreheads for the rest of the lives. Worse than just speaking in favor of Trump's bullshit, many of them were active on their own, and the country must be constantly reminded of the names and faces who did this.

There can be no "slipping away in the night". No "return to normal" for them.

[Stormspellz]

What's scary is that the democrats dragged all 3 of Trump's scotus appointments through the mud. And then Biden threatened to destroy their careers by packing the court. Now Biden may have to grovel at their feet to get the white house. The scotus may ultimately decide Biden is just too dangerous to be allowed to have the Presidency if they can just award these states to Trump and be done with it.

yes man it was the democrats who lied about his role in the "torture memos", it was the dems who forced a he siad/she said situation and blocked any type of investigation. and then had a hissy fit during a hearing.

it was the dems who joined a fundamentalist's cult, it was the dems who went from law professor to a judge in 2017 and now to the scotus

oh no the dems threatened to expand the court which is completely in their right/law to do

[Huehuecoyotl]

This is where the Twitter tags need to stop pussy-footing around. Just tag tweets like this with "Hahahahaha. No. Just no."

[Omega10]

Hillary was right.

There is nothing more damaging that Trump dould do to American democracy than these tweets.

Hmmm strike that. Things can always get worse

[dextersmith]

OK.

I think we're at the point where someone needs to take the nuclear codes away from Trump.

Isn't that the scariest thing? Someone so dilutional and enraged with that kind of power at their fingertips.

[Timester]

Question.

How will Trump defeat affect the Georgia runoff?