Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

Let's also cut to the chase and say that posters like him are deeply unlikeable. And no matter how much internet trolls try to mainstream their behaviour with catchphrases like 'trigger the libs', such an approach to interaction is always going to be seen as absolutely bloody sad and pathetic.

I think it’s more doing this:

I try and reduce anyone's political views into name calling, but I won't sit back and let people characterize me either.

That’s being closed minded and belligerent about it...

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You know he's also totally depraved and it's only a matter of time before the depths of his hypocrisy come out.

On the spectrum of possibilities I'd say best case he paid for some woman to abort a fetus of his making. Worst case, but still possible, he has a predilection for sex with underaged boys.

Not saying I have proof of any of thay, just saying I know it's true. You might say I have a strong faith that Tom Cotton is a hypocritical scum bag.

That’s too much... he wants power and money... there is no simpler path, than to follow Trump.

[DingDongKing]

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It’s the same desired outcome, to ‘trigger’ people.

[downnola]

Grayzone bullshittery aside, get a load of this nonsense:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN26032Q

Acting U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf told a former top aide to stop providing assessments of the threat of Russian interference in the Nov. 3 election and to play down U.S. white supremacist activity, according to a whistleblower complaint released on Wednesday.

Brian Murphy, a former Homeland Security deputy undersecretary for intelligence, said in the complaint that Wolf told him in mid-May to begin reporting instead on political interference threats posed by China and Iran, and to highlight the involvement of left-wing groups in domestic disorder.

The instruction had come to Wolf from White House national security adviser Robert O’Brien, Murphy cited Wolf as saying.

The White House and Department of Homeland Security each denied the claims.

“Ambassador O’Brien has never sought to dictate the Intelligence Community’s focus on threats to the integrity of our elections or on any other topic; any contrary suggestion by a disgruntled former employee, who he has never met or heard of, is false and defamatory,” said White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews.

Homeland Security spokesman Alexei Woltornist added: “We flatly deny that there is any truth to the merits of Mr. Murphy’s claim.”

U.S. intelligence assessments that a Russian influence operation aimed at swaying the 2016 election in Republican Donald Trump’s favor has overshadowed much of his presidency with a series of investigations being dismissed by Trump as a hoax. Trump has expressed admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose government denied election meddling.

U.S. officials say Russia, China and Iran have been working to influence the 2020 election between Trump and his Democratic challenger Joe Biden.

Murphy’s complaint said he declined to comply with Wolf’s order because doing so “would put the country in substantial and specific danger.”

On a second occasion in July, Murphy said Wolf told him an intelligence notification on Russian disinformation efforts should be “held” because “it made the president look bad.”

Murphy said that he “objected, stating that it was improper to hold a vetted intelligence product for reasons for political embarrassment. In response, Mr. Wolf took steps to exclude Mr. Murphy from relevant future meetings on the subject,” according to the complaint.

Murphy filed the complaint on Tuesday with the DHS Office of Inspector General. It was released on Wednesday by the intelligence committee of the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives.

The complaint outlined other allegations of misconduct by Trump administration officials.

Murphy said he was instructed by senior DHS officials to ensure that intelligence assessments he produced for former secretary Kirsten Nielsen supported administration claims that large numbers of suspected terrorists were entering the country from Mexico.

Murphy said he declined to censor or manipulate the intelligence, believing this would be “improper administration of an intelligence program,” and that he warned one of the officials that doing so would constitute a felony.

Officials said they would hold back one homeland threat assessment, according to Murphy, following expressions of “concerns” by Wolf and Ken Cuccinelli, a top DHS official, about how it would “reflect upon President Trump.”

Murphy said two sections of the threat assessment particularly concerned the officials: one on white supremacist extremists and the other on Russian influence.

Cuccinelli, Murphy said, told him to modify the section on white supremacists “in a manner that made the threat appear less severe, as well as include information on the prominence of violent ‘left-wing’ groups.”

Murphy said he refused to make the requested changes, and advised Cuccinelli that doing so would amount to censorship of intelligence information.

Senate Intelligence Committee member Angus King, a political independent, told Reuters the alleged DHS actions described by Murphy “should be condemned on a bi-partisan basis.”

I can't even imagine the outrage if a Democratic president actively used DHS to down play the actions of domestic terrorist groups and outside interference in the election process. The fucking tears would be endless. This news is also followed by attacks on Biden's election campaign firm.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) recently alerted one of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s main election campaign advisory firms that it had been targeted by suspected Russian state-backed hackers, according to three people briefed on the matter.

The hacking attempts targeted staff at Washington-based SKDKnickerbocker, a campaign strategy and communications firm working with Biden and other prominent Democrats, over the past two months, the sources said.

A person familiar with SKDK’s response to the attempts said the hackers failed to gain access to the firm’s networks. “They are well-defended, so there has been no breach,” the person said.

SKDK Vice Chair Hilary Rosen declined to comment. A Biden spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed the allegations as “nonsense”. Moscow has repeatedly denied using hacking to interfere in other countries’ elections.

The hacking attempts on SKDK come as U.S. intelligence agencies have raised alarms about possible efforts by foreign governments to interfere in the November presidential election.

Investigations by former special counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate intelligence committee both concluded that affiliates of the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election, and Mueller has warned that Russia was meddling in the current campaign.

One of the sources said it was not clear whether Biden’s campaign was the target or whether the hackers were attempting to gain access to information about other SKDK clients.

SKDK managing director Anita Dunn was a White House communications director during the Barack Obama presidency and serves the Biden campaign as a senior advisor.

The attempts to infiltrate SKDK were recently flagged to the campaign firm by Microsoft, which identified hackers tied to the Russian government as the likely culprits, according to the three sources briefed on the matter.

The attacks included phishing, a hacking method which seeks to trick users into disclosing passwords, as well as other efforts to infiltrate SKDK’s network, the three sources said.

A Microsoft spokesman declined to comment.

SKDK is closely associated with the Democratic Party, having worked on six presidential campaigns and numerous congressional races. In addition to its current work for Biden, the firm in 2018 worked on successful governor’s races in Kansas and Connecticut.

I wonder what Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, our resident grayzone tankies, and Trump's campaign all have in common (aside from never finding a human rights violation they didn't like, of course)?

[Ivanstone]

You know he's also totally depraved and it's only a matter of time before the depths of his hypocrisy come out.

On the spectrum of possibilities I'd say best case he paid for some woman to abort a fetus of his making. Worst case, but still possible, he has a predilection for sex with underaged boys.

Not saying I have proof of any of thay, just saying I know it's true. You might say I have a strong faith that Tom Cotton is a hypocritical scum bag.

Honestly I don't get that vibe from Cotton. He's like Congressman Murray from Parks and Recreation. When he's not out blathering right wing talking points, he probably sits in his office staring at the wall.

McConnell, on the other hand, probably eats the kidney's of small children. Raw, no Chianti. Or so I've heard.

[Thekri]

Honestly I don't get that vibe from Cotton. He's like Congressman Murray from Parks and Recreation. When he's not out blathering right wing talking points, he probably sits in his office staring at the wall.

McConnell, on the other hand, probably eats the kidney's of small children. Raw, no Chianti. Or so I've heard.

I don't know, Cotton gives me the same vibe as Falwell and Lindsey Graham. No actual beliefs per se, just loves attention, and found out he can get it by saying certain things.

Just a grown of version of a baby throwing their toys out of the crib. Only doing it professionally for their entire life.

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Tucker Carlson is going after Lindsey Graham in a big way. This is awesome. The more the Fox News crowd turns on Graham, the further behind Trump he is going to run in SC.

Trump is going to win SC, but Graham could easily lose his seat. The senate is really important, and that is a really key flip. Why Carlson would be targeting a GOP Senator that is looking quite vulnerable in a deep red seat is beyond me, but I love it. The party of Trump has no loyalty, no strategy, just anger and blame.

[Machismo]

I don't know, Cotton gives me the same vibe as Falwell and Lindsey Graham. No actual beliefs per se, just loves attention, and found out he can get it by saying certain things.

Just a grown of version of a baby throwing their toys out of the crib. Only doing it professionally for their entire life.

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Tucker Carlson is going after Lindsey Graham in a big way. This is awesome. The more the Fox News crowd turns on Graham, the further behind Trump he is going to run in SC.

Trump is going to win SC, but Graham could easily lose his seat. The senate is really important, and that is a really key flip. Why Carlson would be targeting a GOP Senator that is looking quite vulnerable in a deep red seat is beyond me, but I love it. The party of Trump has no loyalty, no strategy, just anger and blame.

The party of Trump has loyalty, but to only Trump. They will throw literally anyone else under the bus to protect him and his ego. We saw that most clearly with Paul Ryan. the guy was the darling of the GOP, and many believed he would be president in the near future. that's all gone, to be replaced by literally anyone who is willing to suck trump's dick on television.

be prepared for "Crenshaw 2024" to be everywhere.

Anyone who doesn't toe the line 100%, is expendable in the eyes of the Trumpsters. That's why it's a cult, there is no exchanging of ideas, there is no difference of opinion. Sure, it's great for Trump, but the Democrats can easily capitalize on it, via subterfuge. Have any vulnerable GOPer painted as disloyal to Trump, and see if they can be made to fall. Sure, the GOP is weak when it comes to moderates, but the Democrats can also make them weak to the Trumpster purists.Play on that loyalty, and let them continue turning on the more sane members of the GOP who still remain.

[xChurch]

Maybe leave the tearing down of your own party till after America is no longer staring down the barrel of a potential fascist dictatorship? Seems like the responsible thing to me anyway. Like why even take the chance, a couple of months of cheerleading at worse, or just not saying anything at best is a small price to pay for not having to risk 4 more years of Trump.

[bladeXcrasher]

be prepared for "Crenshaw 2024" to be everywhere.

It already is everywhere, that ass clown and Candace Owens are their 2024 super ticket.

[xChurch]

Voicing concerns is fine when you doing it here and there, but when it starts to seem like it's your only purpose to shit on Biden it really starts to wear on people (I'm sure I am not the only one) and makes people question your motives. I started out having more sympathy for the Bernie people during the primaries but oh man has that gone downhill since then. At the end of the day, there are only 2 choices, and if you aren't actively supporting Biden then....

[beanman12345]

I'll also point out that Cotton just went for it yesterday, after the short list went out, with things like this:



But Biden is totally the bigger issue

Well when someone's ignorance has no bottom that they say shit like

Like it or not the court did become more liberal when Scalia was replaced with a Gorsuch,

yes he's fine with a trump presidency and cotton replacing RBG.

[beanman12345]

Let's also cut to the chase and say that posters like him are deeply unlikeable. And no matter how much internet trolls try to mainstream their behaviour with catchphrases like 'trigger the libs', such an approach to interaction is always going to be seen as absolutely bloody sad and pathetic.

A more toxic person than that guy I have not encountered in this thread. Hell even people who are self proclaimed trumps supporters like texaslies and ghostpanther are tolerable when compared to that dude.

[Felya]

I must be some troll, trump supporter or QAnon person because people are incapable of accepting some have a different opinion then them.

Posting about the Russian investigation, like it’s a hoax, is in fact QAnon and Trump rhetoric. Instead of dealing with that fact, you play the victim, as if you are being called QAnon or Trump Supporter... even though you replied to a republic, saying he enjoys watching democrats fight. But, you won’t be silenced... you’ll just ignore... as if the two are different.

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The idea that voicing my concerns or just dissatisfaction on a gaming forum would help Trump win is ridiculous and nothing more then trying to censor other's opinion.

Ludicrous... people responding to you, is the opposite of sensor. It’s how you can’t respond to people on ignore, but they can respond to you. People hand you a soap box and you call it censorship. What a joke...

Anyone who is so worried about 4 more years of Trump better be volunteering their free time to help the Biden Campaign and donate their own money to see Trump lose. I do both of those to support the candidates I think will make a difference in DC, but most on here do nothing but shit on others to take some moral high ground that doesn't exist.

While not voting? What? While insulting people as Biden loyalist, now you ask us to donate and volunteer for Biden? Interesting... complete devoid of reality...

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Oh I forgot, I'm not servile to the Team Blue.

If you want to actually help defeat Trump then actually do something about it. Anyone who is so worried about 4 more years of Trump better be volunteering their free time to help the Biden Campaign and donate their own money to see Trump lose. I do both of those to support the candidates I think will make a difference in DC, but most on here do nothing but shit on others to take some moral high ground that doesn't exist.

So... “we” don’t donate to democrats or volunteer our free time to team blue... for you to call people out as “servile”. What team do you donate your money and time to, without being “servile”? Sounds like projecting...

Edit: I don’t donate to political parties... neither my time nor my money. I do donate blood, plasma and organize blood drives at my work. I also tried to organize a company wide initiative to support a local pet rescue, but that fell through due to covid. When we return, I plan to set up shifts of revolving teams to both build team work, as well as help the community.

Sorry...

[xChurch]

Except it's not fine for a good percentage of people on this forum. Even in your statement you have the same false dichotomy.

The same nonsense about Trump replacing RBG. His previous court pick has already ruled against the GOP and Trump on social issues, and I can assure Biden pick will fall in line with GOP on economic issues. So really it's nothing more than speculation that shouldn't be given the light of day, and if the Democrats are really worried they would be trying to Energize their base and take back the Senate eliminating any chance the GOP or Trump can put in their SCOTUS pick. Anything else people posting is pure speculation based on nothing more then conjecture.

There are still only two choices though, and lamenting Biden is fine, but so many of your posts come off as if there is some magic 3rd option that people just won't even give the time of day to. Biden overall, sucks, as a candidate and a politician, something lots of people would probably agree with and in an ideal world his political career would have ended 4 years ago, however, you have to work with what you got and people should not let the perfect dissuade them from taking to good enough. Even if Biden is only 10% better than Trump, that's still a higher chance that there will even be an American democracy in 4 years, the stakes really are that high.

[downnola]

The idea that voicing my concerns or just dissatisfaction on a gaming forum would help Trump win is ridiculous and nothing more then trying to censor other's opinion. People shouldn't be Cheer leading because it does next to nothing but makes them nothing more then a spectator in the stands. If you want to actually help defeat Trump then actually do something about it. Anyone who is so worried about 4 more years of Trump better be volunteering their free time to help the Biden Campaign and donate their own money to see Trump lose. I do both of those to support the candidates I think will make a difference in DC, but most on here do nothing but shit on others to take some moral high ground that doesn't exist.

You have 650 posts in this thread, the third highest out of everyone that responded, and you're going to act like you're just "posting dissatisfaction on a gaming forum." You're doing more than just casually voicing your concerns on a gaming forum, you're out to prove something regardless of how hard you try to deny it.

[beanman12345]

I'm not even worried about 4 more years of Trump, not that I think he'll win. .

I am worried Trump can win. Anyone not worried clearly isn't paying attention.

Anyone who is so worried about 4 more years of Trump better be volunteering their free time to help the Biden Campaign and donate their own money to see Trump lose.

Good ol' jetti

[Felya]

You have 650 posts in this thread, the third highest out of everyone that responded, and you're going to act like you're just "posting dissatisfaction on a gaming forum." You're doing more than just causally voicing your concerns on a gaming forum, you're out to prove something regardless of how hard you try to deny it.

Damn man... you had to make me check... I’m #1!!! With more that twice the posts of next person and I didn’t post for like 6 months... I feel.......

[Milchshake]

Remember kids, Grayzone is part of the fascist right wing circle jerk. They make constant appearances on Fox.




Tucker Carlson boosts Grayzone and Grayzone boosts Tucker Carlson.



It's just radical rightists trying to discourage voting against Trump. By constantly inventing the dumbest reasons to not vote for the meaningful opposition candidate.

[downnola]

Damn man... you had to make me check... I’m #1!!! With more that twice the posts of next person and I didn’t post for like 6 months... I feel.......

And the ratio of Punk links in your posts is lacking to boot. I am very disappoint.

[Felya]

It's just radical rightists trying to discourage voting against Trump. By constantly inventing the dumbest reasons to not vote for the meaningful opposition candidate.

It was a joke of a tact before Trump... now it’s promoted by Fox... I did fall for Ruben Report, but it didn’t last more than a couple of days. They were not good at it in 2016 and it has gotten worse.

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And the ratio of Punk links in your posts is lacking to boot. I am very disappoint.

I am obsessed with Talking Heads line from from Psycho Killer... ‘once you say something once, why say it again’. It both haunts me every time I recognize being repetitive and it bugs me while doing it.

Then again, when it’s for a good cause, is sorta on topic by showing the irony of Trump’s flag humping versus his COVID response:



100% from proceeds go to Covid relief... buy the song, support covid relief. “New” album coming October 30th and another round covid took from us:

[beanman12345]

Remember kids, Grayzone is part of the fascist right wing circle jerk. They make constant appearances on Fox.

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Tucker Carlson boosts Grayzone and Grayzone boosts Tucker Carlson.
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It's just radical rightists trying to discourage voting against Trump. By constantly inventing the dumbest reasons to not vote for the meaningful opposition candidate.

Thank you. this post, thank you!