Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

"It's evidence because I say so. If I say they are valid they are.”

Don't blame me, you said those things.

Cheers!

[lockybalboa]

Don't blame me, you said those things.

Cheers!

Your logic my mate. Be proud of yourself

[Machismo]

Your logic my mate. Be proud of yourself

Yes, I did prove my case, it was easy. Enjoy all that evidence!!!

[lockybalboa]

Yes, I did prove my case, it was easy. Enjoy all that evidence!!!

You are a heck of a Ah-Q.

[Thepersona]

Except, I'm a small-government conservative, and the Electoral College is a thing. If I lived in a battleground state, I may think of it as more of a binary choice. But, I live in a state that will vote for Biden by 20-30%.

My vote is literally worthless in the grand scheme of things.

Uhm... Maybe go to vote and mark both options then?
Is any candidate in the downballot that you like? In that case, maybe go to vote for him/her.

[Kaleredar]

It's the same people saying the same thing from the other thread. I can stir it up for you. What happens when the Tara Reade story does not go away and the first time Joe Biden has to address it is when Trump throws it in his face on a debate stage--because the media isn't asking anyone about it,not him, not these women being touted for vp picks.

You really think Donald trump wants to get into it about accusations and inappropriate behavior towards women?

I mean, I get it, trump’s supporters won’t care about his improprieties because they view groping women, sleeping with hookers and bragging about their sex lives as manly-man alpha things whilst democratic supporters have moral standards, but... I don’t think trump wants to be throwing stones in that gaudy glass house of his.

I’m of the staunch opinion that Donald trump can hold the moral high ground on absolutely zero things, his relations towards women chief among them.

[breadisfunny]

You may as well just vote for Trump then. Since you seem to spend a lot of time posting against him, seems like an irrational and self destructive move.

and 'logic' like this is why we will never move past the two party system but you people will sit there and bitch and whine about it and moan about how it's impossible to change BUT GOD FORBID WE DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT THATS VOTING FOR X!

[JohnBrown1917]

Which one is better than Biden... in your opinion? Be specific...

Howie Hawkins. Never raped anybody, never committed any war crimes, no racist past. And he actually supports left-wing policies like m4a.

[Draco-Onis]

and 'logic' like this is why we will never move past the two party system but you people will sit there and bitch and whine about it and moan about how it's impossible to change BUT GOD FORBID WE DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT THATS VOTING FOR X!

Because timing is everything you don't start shopping for new carpet when there's a fire in your house. We've had decades to change the two party system but we haven't because the American public doesn't care enough to do it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Because timing is everything you don't start shopping for new carpet when there's a fire in your house. We've had decades to change the two party system but we haven't because the American public doesn't care enough to do it.

So anytime a republican is running?

[Draco-Onis]

So anytime a republican is running?

You missed the point it's just like the electoral college people bitch and moan about it but there's no political movement or will to do what is necessary to change it. The American people by and large are mostly checked out of politics.

[Machismo]

Uhm... Maybe go to vote and mark both options then?
Is any candidate in the downballot that you like? In that case, maybe go to vote for him/her.

I vote every cycle, not necessarily for every position. Oddly enough, I don't tend to vote for judges. As for President, there's always more than two available options. So, if I'm not happy with any of the candidates, I write in the name of a buddy of mine, who happens to be an actual anarchist. I do it for the irony.

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I literally have no idea what you want. You spent the last three years bitching about the most left-wing candidate in British political history, now you are saying you are a Marxist.

Of course if no one votes for a third party candidate then no third party candidate can win. How do you think political parties start exactly?

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This. It isn't actually like as difficult as people think to change the system. There have been numerous effective third-party campaigns in US history which did significantly alter the nature of politics even if they didn't win or even come close to winning.

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You don't understand how this works. No one is interested in dirt on Trump because they know Trump is crooked/evil, they expect it of him. Biden is supposed to be better, so the focus is entirely on him.

This isn't entirely fair obviously but that is how these things work.

You keep making that accusation, yet cannot back it up.

[Felya]

My vote is literally worthless in the grand scheme of things.

If you have Dave Chappell sitting on your couch laughing as you posted this, you just recreated a first half of sketch from first SNL after Trump won. The second half involved wondering what happened... Chappell still laughing...

[Poopymonster]

Anyone who kowtows to Wall Street instead of helping his voters is anti-democratic.

They are anti-democratic. They are called Republicans.

[Machismo]

If you have Dave Chappell sitting on your couch laughing as you posted this, you just recreated a first half of sketch from first SNL after Trump won. The second half involved wondering what happened... Chappell still laughing...

I voted in 2016. Even though I marked my name down for Gary Johnson, I still voted for Hillary fucking Clinton when it was all said and done. Everyone in my state did, whether they liked it, or not.

[Machismo]

And they're also called Biden and 'establishment Democrats'.

Then, why did Bernie choose to run as a Democrat,m and why is he endorsing a Democrat?

You musty be furious with him!!!!

[Felya]

So anytime a republican is running?

How old are you? I don’t ask to insult, but to set a frame of reference. Because, what you have seen recently, over the last couple of elections, is not the norm. It didn’t really start until after 9/11 and the dot.com bubble, made GOP very hard to elect... so they hired this strategist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

The way my words are created is by taking the words of others.... I've moderated an average of a hundred plus focus groups a year over five years... I show them language that I've created. Then I leave a line for them to create language for me.

He advocated use of vocabulary crafted to produce a desired effect; including use of the term death tax instead of estate tax, and climate change instead of global warming.

Luntz has frequently contributed to Fox News as a commentator and analyst, as well as running focus groups during and after presidential debates on CBSN. Luntz describes his specialty as "testing language and finding words that will help his clients sell their product or turn public opinion on an issue or a candidate." He is also an author of business books dealing with communication strategies and public opinion.

Yeah, when people ask why liberals had to change the name of global warming... well... see the bold.

It wasn’t until, really John Kerry, where GOP’s fear of an anti war candidate beating Bush’s war, that by 2004 has lost a lot of the 90% support in had a couple of years prior. As a result, GOP created this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

The term swiftboating (also swift-boating or swift boating) is a pejorative American neologism used to describe an unfair or untrue political attack. The term is derived from the name of the organization "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" (SBVT, later the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth) because of their widely publicized—and later discredited—campaign against 2004 U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry.

The next election, was just a royal fuck up for RNC, as their War Time candidate John McCain, got hit with economic collapse. Where the entire strategy of Obama was weak against terrorists, took such a back seat to the economy. McCain had to pivot by taking a break from his campaign to refocus on the economy. This is where the current, Trump based politics, was only the GOP fringe. Where McCain would actually try to convince his supporters that Obama wasn’t a terrorist.

Even after Obama won, he didn’t jump on the public demand to persecute Bush. Even though a prolonged trial would have been a win for Democrats in following midterms, instead of a slaughter losing both house and senate. This is also where Luntz flexed his muscle, with Death panels for seniors and the start of demonizing socialism. As well as an absurd amount of bullshit, from previously unheard of citizenship questioning to being an evil muslim and an extremist christian, at the same time. The flexibility Trump has in the Middle East, such as deals with Saudi Arabia, close relationship with Qatar and dealing with the Taliban, was simply impossible for Obama, without stifling his entire presidency. Look at what GOP did after the world signed a peace treaty with Iran.

Now we got Trump, the profit of conspiracy theory and simply lying. All hail the great profit!!! It shall come again!!!

But, the thing I like to show most, to drive home that what you see now, isn’t “normal”. Here are some parts of the GOP platform in 2000:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docu...party-platform

We meet at a remarkable time in the life of our country. Our powerful economy gives America a unique chance to confront persistent challenges. Our country, after an era of drift, must now set itself to important tasks and higher goals. The Republican Party has the vision and leadership to address these issues.

Our platform is uplifting and visionary. It reflects the views of countless Americans all across this country who believe in prosperity with a purpose — who believe in Renewing America's Purpose. Together.

This platform makes clear that we are the party of ideas. We are the party that follows its bold words with bold deeds.

The response to Clinton’s presidency, wasn’t that he was evil. Wasn’t that he ruined the country. Wasn’t 45% unemployment and “lock her up”. Instead, it sounded downright progressive... Instead, we got Bush, because we were doing so good, might as well give GOP a shit at it. This set back progressives to the point of seemingly no return. Trump has completely destroyed that progressive sounding GOP.

After Bush, Obama didn’t get us back to where progressives were in 2000. Electing Trump now set progressives back even further. It’s why watching people claim Biden is not worth a vote or trying to divide with Bernie is so stupid. We have history of last 20 years... the only reason this is becoming normal, is people completely ignoring what happens when progress too small, is replaced with going backwards. It’s why so many people that don’t like Biden, support him... he is the only way to stop the degrading of US politics.

Because, this is not normal, for anyone who has lived long enough, to define normal over at least the last 30 years... instead of 10...

Edit: Forgot citizens united in there... said too much as it is... no one is going to read it.

[lockybalboa]

I voted in 2016. Even though I marked my name down for Gary Johnson, I still voted for Hillary fucking Clinton when it was all said and done. Everyone in my state did, whether they liked it, or not.

Wait what??? You sound as if you resent Hillary! What a shocker! And I don't remember Hillary getting 100% in any state. Where's your evidence "everyone" voted as you did?

[JohnBrown1917]

How old are you? I don’t ask to insult, but to set a frame of reference. Because, what you have seen recently, over the last couple of elections, is not the norm. It didn’t really start until after 9/11 and the dot.com bubble, made GOP very hard to elect... so they hired this strategist:

I know all about the US and its scummy presidents, and yeah, the GoP being even worse is a hardly a new thing. Reagan and Nixon where just as scummy as Bush or Trump. Trump really is nothing new for the GoP, they have always been far right. While the democrats share the same terrible foreign policy.

[Machismo]

Because Bernie somehow seems to believe in 'unification' within the Democratic Party, when they keep backstabbing him over and over again.

Just like Biden only the past week called for 'unification' and then ended up appointing some of the most conservative / republican advisors to his closest circle.

This has made the difference between Biden and Trump even smaller than it already was.

How do they keep backstabbing him? is this more of your lies and bullshit?

He lost the vote.