Lore Question/Theory about Shadowlands

[Dairios]

So in Legion, Warrior characters essentially 'die' and end up in the Halls of Valor working for Odyn. It's supposed to be "Warrior Heaven" - so is it apart of the Shadowlands? Or is it some halfway point between the realm of the living and the realm of the dead. Val'kyr appear there, and they are the ascended versions of Kyrians, if I read this all right. I remember the original idea behind the class hall was that we'd see heroic warriors of eld there, before Blizzard changed it to just being Vrykul.

[Aucald]

The Halls of Valor are actually in their own plane of existence, separate from both Azeroth and the Shadowlands. They were made using similar magic as to how the Elemental Planes in which the Elemental Lords (Al'akir, Ragnaros, Therazane, and Neptulon) were imprisoned, separate and apart from Azeroth. It acts a kind of "heaven" in the loose sense of the term, but it requires Odyn's agents (his Val'kyr) to physically bring the souls of the departed to him through external means, where they then are judged and can become his Valarjar. This is likely why the old plan for heroic Warriors of old to appear in the Halls were jossed, as it was decided the Halls of Valor were not themselves part of the natural order. The same is true of Helya's accursed realm of Helheim - she or her Helarjar have to forcibly bring souls there. The Shadowlands, by extension, or more a natural part of the system of death - a location that souls wind up in as a matter of course, if they aren't bound to another location or subject to another influence (e.g. the Emerald Dream, the Halls of Valor, the Void, etc. etc.)

[KainneAbsolute]

The Halls of Valor are actually in their own plane of existence, separate from both Azeroth and the Shadowlands. They were made using similar magic as to how the Elemental Planes in which the Elemental Lords (Al'akir, Ragnaros, Therazane, and Neptulon) were imprisoned, separate and apart from Azeroth. It acts a kind of "heaven" in the loose sense of the term, but it requires Odyn's agents (his Val'kyr) to physically bring the souls of the departed to him through external means, where they then are judged and can become his Valarjar. This is likely why the old plan for heroic Warriors of old to appear in the Halls were jossed, as it was decided the Halls of Valor were not themselves part of the natural order. The same is true of Helya's accursed realm of Helheim - she or her Helarjar have to forcibly bring souls there. The Shadowlands, by extension, or more a natural part of the system of death - a location that souls wind up in as a matter of course, if they aren't bound to another location or subject to another influence (e.g. the Emerald Dream, the Halls of Valor, the Void, etc. etc.)

Everyone is figthing for souls. I wonder how the Burning Legion fits because they consume souls for their fel.

[Alanar]

The Halls of Valor are actually in their own plane of existence, separate from both Azeroth and the Shadowlands. They were made using similar magic as to how the Elemental Planes in which the Elemental Lords (Al'akir, Ragnaros, Therazane, and Neptulon) were imprisoned, separate and apart from Azeroth. It acts a kind of "heaven" in the loose sense of the term, but it requires Odyn's agents (his Val'kyr) to physically bring the souls of the departed to him through external means, where they then are judged and can become his Valarjar. This is likely why the old plan for heroic Warriors of old to appear in the Halls were jossed, as it was decided the Halls of Valor were not themselves part of the natural order. The same is true of Helya's accursed realm of Helheim - she or her Helarjar have to forcibly bring souls there. The Shadowlands, by extension, or more a natural part of the system of death - a location that souls wind up in as a matter of course, if they aren't bound to another location or subject to another influence (e.g. the Emerald Dream, the Halls of Valor, the Void, etc. etc.)

How would this work with ''De other side'' Bwonsamdis own pocket dimention. This is also kinda strange place, who made it, how is bwonsamdi so strong? was it created for him? He is alo one who likes to gather souls.. willingly or forcefully. Yet it's in this natural place of death right?

[huth]

How would this work with ''De other side'' Bwonsamdis own pocket dimention. This is also kinda strange place, who made it, how is bwonsamdi so strong? was it created for him? He is alo one who likes to gather souls.. willingly or forcefully. Yet it's in this natural place of death right?

It's a subdimension of the Shadowlands. Bwonsamdi is part of the "natural" order of things.

[Aucald]

How would this work with ''De other side'' Bwonsamdis own pocket dimention. This is also kinda strange place, who made it, how is bwonsamdi so strong? was it created for him? He is alo one who likes to gather souls.. willingly or forcefully. Yet it's in this natural place of death right?

Bwonsamdi and his realm are natural extensions of the Shadowlands, which is why souls (at least Troll ones) are naturally brought to his demesne and judged by him. Bwonsamdi looks to be one of a number of psychopomps, the conductors of souls to a given underworld. He probably works for the Arbiter, after a matter of speaking, either directly or indirectly. He keeps some for himself, and for his own empowerment, probably through contracts of indenture (the kind he seems to like to make with people like Rastakhan). The rest flow on to the Shadowlands after time in his realm, or to other places.

[Dairios]

Really kinda makes the mortal races of the Warcraft universe feel like currency being bought and sould (badum-tish) by higher powers in some greater cosmic plan. Which is probably a bit more of an existential line of thinking than Blizzards probably intended, but it makes a certain kind of sense I think. Wars, death, etc, usually planned by shadowy behind the scenes entities ex: The Legion, The Jailer, The Lich King, etc.

It's enough to give a character in Azeroth an existential crisis.
"What is my purpose?"
"You're money."
"Oh my god..."

[huth]

Really kinda makes the mortal races of the Warcraft universe feel like currency being bought and sould (badum-tish) by higher powers in some greater cosmic plan. Which is probably a bit more of an existential line of thinking than Blizzards probably intended, but it makes a certain kind of sense I think. Wars, death, etc, usually planned by shadowy behind the scenes entities ex: The Legion, The Jailer, The Lich King, etc.

It's enough to give a character in Azeroth an existential crisis.
"What is my purpose?"
"You're money."
"Oh my god..."

More like every soul carries an electrical charge with it to the afterlife, which is then used to power everything. The soul is fine without the charge, though, it's just brought along.