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    What key factors are important to you when deciding to support content?



    In this day and age there is a lot of content online to choose from for all sorts of entertainment, and information, whether it's a patreon or a websites subscription, in the current times where we are all probably online a bit more than we have been.

    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?

    Personally for me when it comes to the options like say YouTube a big factor is how much actual work goes into whatever production vs how much I appreciate the information one way or another of what I am getting. Personally my favorite model is Patreon, because it allows artist or producers to breakdown that values.


    lastly and the poll question of the day, do you think VIEWS alone determine the values of content?

    I am going to say no, and this is exactly why I value programs like pop up blocker, and agree with YouTube and other content platforms decisions to move away from this model.

    Granted eyeballs on a specific brand might have value, I am do not a fan of clickbait bullshit, and the notion anything and everything to get views automatically makes something valuable.

    I think personally this is how reality TV has an inflated estimated value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?
    I am a simple man so it basically comes down to do I find it consistently informative or entertaining.

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    lastly and the poll question of the day, do you think VIEWS alone determine the values of content?
    Clearly no, the internet seems to reward stupidity. Just look at all these infantile challenges people do in an attempt to gain views. The sad thing is it works for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    I am a simple man so it basically comes down to do I find it consistently informative or entertaining.



    Clearly no, the internet seems to reward stupidity. Just look at all these infantile challenges people do in an attempt to gain views. The sad thing is it works for them.
    Yeah true, I agree with the last bit, typically I think it starts with nonsense that seems harmless like the planking challenge, or ice bucket challenge, then it evolves into shit like tie pods and cinnamon challenges.

    I mean tragedy gets views too, however I think to equate that to value has been one of the biggest blunders of the last decade. Consequently I think it also has a lot to do with a lot of online culture people complain about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Yeah true, I agree with the last bit, typically I think it starts with nonsense that seems harmless like the planking challenge, or ice bucket challenge, then it evolves into shit like tie pods and cinnamon challenges.

    I mean tragedy gets views too, however I think to equate that to value has been one of the biggest blunders of the last decade. Consequently I think it also has a lot to do with a lot of online culture people complain about.
    Full disclosure I am older.

    Personally I find online culture upon the explosion of social media to be a net negative upon society. IMO it brings out the worst in individuals, encourages tribalism, and stupidity. It has created a culture where being offended, or stupid earns you currency (likes/shares).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    Full disclosure I am older.

    Personally I find online culture upon the explosion of social media to be a net negative upon society. IMO it brings out the worst in individuals, encourages tribalism, and stupidity. It has created a culture where being offended, or stupid earns you currency (likes/shares).

    I agree with a small part of that meaning the stupidity in currency of likes/shares and I would say it’s a net negative.

    I’m older also and on the outside people have always been like they are. Remember AM Talk Radio. Especially in the 80s.

    Very similar to what we have now. Meaning I think advertising has had a lot to do with it.

    Between selling this idea that all attention being good attention to clients and in return selling consumers products they don’t want or need.

    There is a reason cable wouldn’t let you pick channels individually.

    It’s because with so much choice for good or bad. People only want what they want.

    The landscape has changed so unless some producers lean hard on telling people what they want vs telling people who they are or why anyone should care the default is the tried and true click bait, lies and shock.
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    Depends on afew factors
    1. how much I enjoy it
    2 what do I get for supporting them.(I will never donate to a YouTube or a twitch streamer just to hear those blights on humanity call out my name)
    3. How long have they been doing it.(I support the Patreon of afew webcomics mainly cause these people have gave me over a decade worth of entertainment.)

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    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?

    It has to be worth my time AND at the same time be top quality at that. If not, I have better uses for my money. I support only things I care enough to want to see them continued. This is a very minor group. Almost nothing gets thats far with me, but there are some. I also have budget for it even, if I did find a lot of them that qualify. I'd only pick the best of them within the budget.



    lastly and the poll question of the day, do you think VIEWS alone determine the values of content?

    Haha... no.

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    plenty of low view channels that do good content.
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    Consistency is the biggest factor. Are the creators putting out content on a consistent and scheduled basis? Because I am often paying consistently, I want a steady stream of content that is reliable.

    Quality of content becomes the next thing I evaluate. Which can just be high production value, unique subject or presentation, engaging topics/subjects, logical consistency, etc. A combination of any of those preceded by consistent delivery tends to equate to long time support from me.

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    Largely, my history with the site.

    If you're asking for a sub fee up-front, or you're a site I get directed to rather than one I choose to visit regularly, I'm not gonna spend a dime, in most cases. If I choose to visit regularly, though, I'll cough up. I was a subscriber here for a year. I just dropped $5 over at Fark.com because they're having some issues with advertisers (they're pulling out of anything that mentions COVID-19, and as a news aggregator, Fark does). But in both cases, I was an active browser or poster for literally years, first. Otherwise, I can find a new place. So let me set down roots before expecting me to open my wallet.

    For pre-orders/kickstarters/etc, I better REALLY want the product, AND you better have an attractive-enough bonus for the early payment. My pre-order bucks are for those bonuses, otherwise I'll wait for release, particularly with video games these days, since digital releases can't "run out", unlike the beforetimes when you had to buy physical copies.


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    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?
    Am I getting something I desire from it that I wouldn't get for free? I watch a lot of youtubers for free, so I don't feel a need to unlock their Patreon content. Netflix sub I pay, because I watch its shows that aren't available elsewhere or in as good quality/ease of use. Really can't fathom why some people pay for porn...

    lastly and the poll question of the day, do you think VIEWS alone determine the values of content?
    Fuck no. They may be indicative on what has effort put into it, but, yeah, not necessarily. Better to sub on the basis of what you think is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    Full disclosure I am older.

    Personally I find online culture upon the explosion of social media to be a net negative upon society. IMO it brings out the worst in individuals, encourages tribalism, and stupidity. It has created a culture where being offended, or stupid earns you currency (likes/shares).
    Very well said. I agree. Some of the reasons I do not use Facebook or Twitter. People will say shit on them when if they where confronted in public about what they posted, they would act all innocent and maybe piss their pants.

    With that being said, I can see the value of using Facebook for those who are locked down from the virus or separated from family members as a way to keep in touch. But keep your friends on it limited to those you know in real life are. It can be useful if used right.

    And I use Firefox browser, which if you set the security and private settings right, you can get rid of a lot of the useless shit that pops up while browsing on the web.

    And more to the other points, I do not financially support any stuff on YouTube. Should people get income from having stuff on there? Sure. Why not? It is not like they can twist the arms of those who subscribe to donate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Survival of the human species. I support online content that opposes the Chinese Communist Party, the greatest threat to ever face our species. No cost is too high for winning this fight.
    implying chinese aren't human. how racist.
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    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?
    I've never financially supported online content, because I don't see the value in it. Any online streaming services (Netflix, Hulu, etc) is cheaper and offers so much more. If I were to pay, then it would solely depend on my interest in the subject. If it's something really entertaining and unique, something I couldn't get for free or in my normal subscriptions, I might pay. Seeing people play a game or flash their cleavage is not enough to part me with my money.


    o you think VIEWS alone determine the values of content?
    Of course not. Views are not correlated with value at all. The most stupid things get millions of views, simply because stupid people flock together. And women pretending to be young girls, dressed like sluts and playing a game, get the most views of all.

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    What key factors are important to you when deciding to financially support online content?
    Integrity of the content maker, how they show/make the content and how much i value their content, bonus if said content creator is being suppressed/censored by "the man" i support them even more, like Thunderf00t (more or less airbrushed out of Google search history)
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    Either I can’t get it for free (like wow) or I like the product/people making it enough to want them to do well. I have no problem finding stuff online for free if possible if I think it’s low quality or don’t care for the producer but still want some white noise.

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    Most people do it because they "have to". The regular experience has so been destroyed by ads and pluggings that they would rather just pay a fee to go back to how things should be.

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