Emerald Nightmare

[sam86]

Surprise no one asked that
But now that Nzoth is dead, there is no more Nightmare right? It is over, this annoying threat that always existed in corner of world and grew to be a real threat, no longer exist
Or is there any blue post that says otherwise? I mean every time it survived our attacks it was thanks to Old Gods backing it up, now there is no more old gods, it should be over

[Aucald]

There is the Remnant of the Void that exists at the Heart of the Dream, one that persists after Xavius himself is defeated and the Nightmare corruption mostly purged from the Dream. Although without an active Old God it's possible that this is simply a scar on the Dream's surface, unable to manifest into the Nightmare once more. It may also be a conduit for the Void to manifest itself even without an Old God reinforcing it.

[sam86]

There is the Remnant of the Void that exists at the Heart of the Dream, one that persists after Xavius himself is defeated and the Nightmare corruption mostly purged from the Dream. Although without an active Old God it's possible that this is simply a scar on the Dream's surface, unable to manifest into the Nightmare once more. It may also be a conduit for the Void to manifest itself even without an Old God reinforcing it.

this remnant was confirmed that it was backed up by old gods, unless they retcon it, the void lords have zero access to emerald dream and shouldn't be in any possible way able to do anything like that

[Halfaheart]

this remnant was confirmed that it was backed up by old gods, unless they retcon it, the void lords have zero access to emerald dream and shouldn't be in any possible way able to do anything like that

The dream is linked to Ardenweald and there's been some rumors of void activity in the Shadowlands so if there was gonna be a backdoor I'd say that would be it

[Aucald]

this remnant was confirmed that it was backed up by old gods, unless they retcon it, the void lords have zero access to emerald dream and shouldn't be in any possible way able to do anything like that

Void forces (and not Old God forces) attack the Heart of the Dream in BfA, with no known connection to N'Zoth specifically (though it is still certainly possible). As long as the remnant is connected to the Void, then it's possible the Void has some level of access to the Dream. Although this may not be sufficient to recreate the Nightmare by any means.

[Combatbutler]

Without an agent to grant them access the void lords shouldn't be able to use the dream as an effective tool anymore, though who knows what Xal'atath will do now.

[Soon-TM]

The dream is linked to Ardenweald and there's been some rumors of void activity in the Shadowlands so if there was gonna be a backdoor I'd say that would be it

How could Old Gods, who are nothing but glorified space ticks, ever invade an entirely separate realm such as the shadowlands?

[Psykho]

How could Old Gods, who are nothing but glorified space ticks, ever invade an entirely separate realm such as the shadowlands?

Void activity doesn't always mean old gods, but Old Gods always mean Void Activity

[Newname1234567890]

this remnant was confirmed that it was backed up by old gods, unless they retcon it, the void lords have zero access to emerald dream and shouldn't be in any possible way able to do anything like that

Source that the Void Lords have zero access to the dream?

Because the only thing we know (as far as i knew) is they cant manifest directly into the physical realm.

Also the Rift of Aln bleeds into the nether and great dark. The void has a presence in both.

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How could Old Gods, who are nothing but glorified space ticks, ever invade an entirely separate realm such as the shadowlands?

The way they invaded ours?

I seen no lore that says the Void Lords cant summon Old gods in any realm.

[Soon-TM]

Void activity doesn't always mean old gods, but Old Gods always mean Void Activity

Hmmm? Elaborate please

The way they invaded ours?

I seen no lore that says the Void Lords cant summon Old gods in any realm.

Well, here's what I found about Void Lords:

Envious of the titans' power, the void lords attempted to corrupt one of them, but the titans remained impervious to their attempts. Instead, the void lords pooled their power and hurled dark, parasitic horrors — later known as the Old Gods — out into the universe to find and exert their influence over a titan in its most vulnerable state: as a slumbering world-soul. The void lords did not know which planets contained titan world-souls, and so simply hoped that at least some of their creations would smash into a planet that contained a nascent titan.

Given that they threw their messengers/ticks out into the universe in order to find planets to stick to, it's safe to assume that it's the physical universe they were working at - not this metaphysical entity known as SL. But it's quite vague anyway.

Also this:

The Shadowlands (see below for other names and denotations) are nightmarish realms of decay, labyrinthine spiritual planes teeming with the souls of the dead who have passed from the world of the living. The Shadowlands exist on the edge of reality. (...) The Shadowlands can be seen as a shadowy version of the physical world.

[Newname1234567890]

Hmmm? Elaborate please



Well, here's what I found about Void Lords:




Given that they threw their messengers/ticks out into the universe in order to find planets to stick to, it's safe to assume that it's the physical universe they were working at - not this metaphysical entity known as SL. But it's quite vague anyway.

Ok so.....that doesnt say they cant manifest one in the SLs.....

Also chronicles is now limited to what the titans know, not an overall universe.

The logic your working on there is insane. I haven't heard of someone doing something so they cant do it. I haven't seen Taylor swift swim therefore i assume she physically cant.

Edited for grammar

[Soon-TM]

Ok so.....that doesnt say they cant manifest one in the SLs.....

Also chronicles is now limited to what the titans know, not an overall universe.

Well... if there is ONE thing Titans should presumably know a lot about, are Void Lords/Old Gods. Just saying

[Newname1234567890]

Well... if there is ONE thing Titans should presumably know a lot about, are Void Lords/Old Gods. Just saying

Why? Sargeras only leant about the Void Lords from Dreadlords and he had to tell the rest of the Pantheon. We only know of two accounts of any titan meeting old gods despite the many worlds its implied they visited.

In actually one of the few subject's we know they are under informed

[Newname1234567890]

If you saw her swim, then why would you assume that she can't?

Shit, havent seen her swim sorry.

My point is thats the other dudes logic. Ie we havent heard of the void lords interacting witn the SLs so they cant.

[Psykho]

Hmmm? Elaborate please

Just because we see Void entities involved doesn't mean the Old Gods are, for example literally every Warlock has a Voidwalker, though for an event I guess like the Shadowmoon tribe during WoD, they weren't connected to an Old God, their was one on outland, but I don't think WoD even mention anything similar

[TheFirstOnes]

The dream is linked to Ardenweald and there's been some rumors of void activity in the Shadowlands so if there was gonna be a backdoor I'd say that would be it

It's a mirrored realm, but, like with all foes, we'll stop the Void in the Shadowlands.

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Void forces (and not Old God forces) attack the Heart of the Dream in BfA, with no known connection to N'Zoth specifically (though it is still certainly possible). As long as the remnant is connected to the Void, then it's possible the Void has some level of access to the Dream. Although this may not be sufficient to recreate the Nightmare by any means.

Basically this. Hell, in BFA, Void Forces are shown to be invading the Dream Way (Probably from the "remnant" shown in Legion). So, who knows, maybe in a Void Lords expansion, we'll see more of the "nightmare" remnants. 9.0 seems to be linking a ton of things with the Void. So, it's likely that next expac, we'll deal with the Void Lords and all that shit.

[Razion]

It's not like we killed every Satyr, ever.
As long as the Dream still has enemies, the Nightmare may never end permanently.